How Long Does It Take for Ice Thickness to Double in Cold Conditions?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the time required for ice thickness to double from 4.50 cm to 9.00 cm at a constant air temperature of -11.0°C. Participants use the heat conduction equation and the relationship between heat transfer and ice formation to derive the necessary calculations. There is confusion regarding the temperature difference, as one contributor mistakenly considers it to be zero, despite the air temperature being significantly lower than the water temperature. After integrating the equations, one participant arrives at a time of 42.5 seconds for the ice thickness to double, although they express doubt about the validity of this result. The conversation highlights the complexities of thermal dynamics in ice formation.
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A pond of water at 0°C is covered with a layer of ice 4.50 cm thick. If the air temperature stays constant at -11.0°C, how much time does it take for the thickness of the ice to increase to 9.00 cm?

Hint: To solve this problem, use the heat conduction equation,

dQ/dt = kA delta T/x

and note that the incremental energy dQ extracted from the water through the thickness x is the amount required to freeze a thickness dx of ice. That is, dQ = LpA dx, where p is the density of the ice, A is the area, and L is the latent heat of fusion. (The specific gravity and thermal conductivity for ice are, respectively, 0.917 is 2.0 W/m/°C.)






I don't have much of an idea on how to attempt this question, all I've got so far is.

dQ = LpA dx
so LpA dx/dt = kA delta T/x
x/dt = L delta T/ L p dx

I guess that's useful as it gets rid of surface area in the equation ( which isn't given), but I am not sure where to go from there. Also, delta T would be zero, and so the entire equation would equal zero, which doesn't make much sense to me.

By the way I am 16 and so presume that I am very ignorant.
 
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why should dT be 0? Outside temp is -11 while water is at 0.

dQ=KA.(T1-T2)/x .dt where T1-T2=11
dQ=mL=dx.A.P.L
so we have from above eqns.
dx.A.P.L=KA.11/x .dt
xdx.P.L=K.11 dt
integrate LHS from 0.045 to 0.09 and RHS from 0 to t, where t is the required time.
P.L.(x^2)/2=22t
substituing the values (L=3.36 x 10^5)& solving i get t=42.5 sec

IMO this is too small a value, anyway, do tell the answer :)
 
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