How long it takes to discharge capacitor when switch is opened

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The discussion revolves around the discharge of a capacitor in an electrical circuit when a switch is opened. Participants are examining the equivalent resistance in the circuit and the implications for the time constant of discharge.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the equivalent circuit configuration, specifically why certain resistors are considered in series or parallel. Questions arise about the necessity of rearranging the circuit for clarity and how this affects the analysis of the discharge process.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the circuit's configuration and its implications for calculating equivalent resistance. Some participants have provided insights into the reasoning behind circuit rearrangement, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the equivalent resistance in relation to the capacitor's discharge path.

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Participants are discussing the arrangement of circuit components when the switch is open and the impact of this arrangement on the analysis of the discharge process. There is mention of conventional practices in circuit drawing that may aid in understanding the relationships between components.

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Homework Statement



Please look at the attachment. The part I am having problems with is part C

Homework Equations



time constant = RC
Q = Q0 e^(-t/RC)

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand why the circuit is equivalent to the 4 ohm resister with the 18 ohm resistor in series so that the top right loop of the original circuit is now in series
 

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You got the right equivalent circuit.

So what is the formula for V(t) on a capacitor intially charged to V_0 and the allowed to discharge thru a resistor R?

(If necessary, write the diff. eq. & solve).
 
I don't understand why the circuit is equivalent to the 4 ohm resister with the 18 ohm resistor in series

In the following steps I will rearrange the circuit without changing it electrically...

Step 1 Delete components that are not in the circuit when switch is open (eg the battery and some wire).
Step 2 Rotate circuit 90 degrees.
Step 3 Slide the resistors "around the corners"

The 4 and 18 ohm are now clearly in series.

The equivalent resistance is (4+18)//(8+6)
 

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CWatters said:
In the following steps I will rearrange the circuit without changing it electrically...

Step 1 Delete components that are not in the circuit when switch is open (eg the battery and some wire).
Step 2 Rotate circuit 90 degrees.
Step 3 Slide the resistors "around the corners"

The 4 and 18 ohm are now clearly in series.

The equivalent resistance is (4+18)//(8+6)

I think I kind of get it. Why do you have to rearrange the circuit? Is it because you want the resistors to be in parallel with the capacitor?
 
Avalanche said:
I think I kind of get it. Why do you have to rearrange the circuit? Is it because you want the resistors to be in parallel with the capacitor?

There is no need to rearrange the circuit - it just makes it more obvious that they are in series when drawn like that (at least it does to me).

It's conventional to draw circuits with the higher voltage nodes at the top of the page and lower voltage nodes at the bottom. (Although in this case I didn't bother to work out which end of the capacitor is the more positive so my redrawn circuit might be upside down). Sometimes redrawing the circuit to comply with this convention can help you understand or recognise what's going on.

It's possible to keep going and redraw it so that voltage sources like the capacitor are on the left and loads like the resistors are on the right...
 

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I guess my question was why the equivalent resistance wasn't this
 

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The expression "equivalent resistance" comes with the implied "between these two points".

The circuit you posted above would be the way to calculate the equivalent resistance between nodes ac and bd. eg the resistance "seen" by the battery.

The capacitor sees things differently. It's discharging into the equivalent resistance between nodes e and f.
 

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