How many equations for kinematics?

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The discussion revolves around the number of kinematic equations used in one-dimensional motion problems. Participants explore the existence and necessity of a fourth equation, which relates final position to initial position, average velocity, and time.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question why some sources mention only three kinematic equations while others include a fourth. There is discussion about the derivation of the fourth equation from others and its applicability under constant acceleration.

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Some participants have provided insights into the derivation of the fourth equation and its relationship to average velocity. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of using different equations and the variables involved in kinematic problems.

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Participants note that the fourth equation is often omitted in certain contexts, and there is mention of the five variables typically involved in kinematic equations, suggesting a broader interpretation of the equations available.

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This is a small question about the actual number of kinematic equations. I've seen many websites derive 4 different equations, but some only use 3.

The 4th equation that I have yet to see be put to use is xfinal=xinitial+1/2(vinitial+vfinal)(time)

Could someone explain why some do not mention this 4th equation? It is it necessary for working one dimensional motion problems?
 
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PhysicallyAbel said:
This is a small question about the actual number of kinematic equations. I've seen many websites derive 4 different equations, but some only use 3.

The 4th equation that I have yet to see be put to use is xfinal=xinitial+1/2(vinitial+vfinal)(time)

Could someone explain why some do not mention this 4th equation? It is it necessary for working one dimensional motion problems?
This equation is just calculating the average velocity and using that to find distance traveled over an interval.

It's accurate only if the velocity is constant (v initial = v final) or if the change in velocity w.r.t. time is linear (i.e., acceleration is constant).

IOW, this equation can be derived from the other kinematic equations very easily.
 
PhysicallyAbel said:
This is a small question about the actual number of kinematic equations. I've seen many websites derive 4 different equations, but some only use 3.

The 4th equation that I have yet to see be put to use is xfinal=xinitial+1/2(vinitial+vfinal)(time)

Could someone explain why some do not mention this 4th equation? It is it necessary for working one dimensional motion problems?
Most formulations involve five variables (omitting initial displacement). Since any three values are sufficient to deduce the remaining two, there are in principle five equations, each omitting one variable. Read more in section 7 of
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/frequently-made-errors-mechanics-kinematics/
 
PhysicallyAbel said:
The 4th equation that I have yet to see be put to use is xfinal=xinitial+1/2(vinitial+vfinal)(time)
Let's simplify your equation just a little, and write it as distance moved, x = ½ (vi + vf)t

How to get that using equations you already know?

Start with x = vit + ½at2

Remember, for motion under constant acceleration, the acceleration is given as
a = (vf - vi)/t

Now, your exercise is to substitute this expression for 'a' into the preceding equation for x, and simplify to get the equation at the top.
 
Actually, average velocity is defined as ##\displaystyle \ v_\text{average} = \frac{\text{displacement}}{\text{elapsed time}}=\frac{x_\text{final}-x_\text{initial}}{t} \ .##

Solving for xfinal gives :

##\displaystyle x_\text{final}=x_\text{initial} + (v_\text{average})\cdot t\ ##

As pointed out above, if acceleration is constant, then the following is also true.

##\displaystyle v_\text{average} =\frac{v_\text{initial}+v_\text{final}}{2}\ ##
 
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