How Quickly Does a Leaf Heat Up Under Sunlight?

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The discussion revolves around the rate at which a leaf heats up under sunlight, given specific parameters such as power per unit area from the Sun, the leaf's area, mass, and specific heat. Participants are exploring the relationship between these variables to determine the temperature rise of the leaf.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of the equation Q=mc(deltaT) to relate thermal energy to temperature change. There are questions about the correctness of the provided answer and the interpretation of the power and area relationship. Some participants express confusion over the calculations and the application of the equations.

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There is active engagement with various interpretations of the problem. Some participants are questioning the validity of the provided answer, while others are attempting to clarify the equations and their application. Hints have been offered regarding the relationship between power, area, and energy, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of specific values provided in the problem, including the percentage of energy absorbed by the leaf and the specific heat capacity. There is also a noted discrepancy between calculated results and the expected answer, leading to further questioning and exploration of assumptions.

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If the total power per unit area from the Sun incident on a horizontal leaf is 9.00x10^2 W/m2, and we assume that 70.0% of this energy goes into heating the leaf, what would be the rate of temperature rise of the leaf? The specific heat of the leaf is 2.80 kJ/(kg°C), the leaf area is 7.00 x10^−3 m2, and its mass is 0.200 g.



I don't know what equation to use.
I tried using

Power = kA (Temp/d)
but did not get the right answer.

The right answer is 7.88 degree celsius per sec.
 
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Are you sure that's the right answer? It seems pretty big (or fast).
 
hage567 said:
Are you sure that's the right answer? It seems pretty big (or fast).


yup, it says that is the correct answer
 
Well, I would use Q=mc(deltaT).

The rate of change of thermal energy is the power.

I don't quite get the same answer as the book though, I get 7.88x10^-4 oC/s. (which is much more reasonable, in my opinion)
 
hage567 said:
Well, I would use Q=mc(deltaT).

The rate of change of thermal energy is the power.

I don't quite get the same answer as the book though, I get 7.88x10^-4 oC/s. (which is much more reasonable, in my opinion)


If I were to use the equation
Q=mc(deltaT).

Q = (9.00 x 10^2 W/m2) * 0.7 (would this be right b/c it's 70% of energy?)
m= 0.200 g
c= 2.80 kJ/(kg C)
(delta T) = what we are looking for

Where woul the leaf area fit into the picture?
 
can anyone help please?
 
Technically, since your working with power your equation should be;

\frac{dQ}{dt} = mc\Delta T

Now, you've done everything correctly up to now. So, if the sun emits 9.00 x 10^2 watts per square meter; much power falls on a leaf with an area of 7.00 x10^−3 square meters?
 
Hootenanny said:
Technically, since your working with power your equation should be;

\frac{dQ}{dt} = mc\Delta T

Now, you've done everything correctly up to now. So, if the sun emits 9.00 x 10^2 watts per square meter; much power falls on a leaf with an area of 7.00 x10^−3 square meters?

sorry i don't understand the hints.
i did 7.00 x10^−3 / 9.00 x 10^2 watts for dQ/dt
and plugged in m and c and solved for delta T.
still not getting the right answer
 
Your very close here;
kbyws37 said:
7.00 x10^−3 / 9.00 x 10^2 watts for dQ/dt
But why are you dividing the area by the power per unit area when you want power? Let's have a look at the units;

area = m^2

\text{power per unit area}=\frac{W}{m^2}

\text{power}= \frac{dQ}{dt}=W
 

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