How reliable are tree rings for climate modeling?

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Tree rings are debated as historical thermometers, with some arguing they are unreliable for temperature reconstruction due to inconsistencies and the need to selectively sample data. Critics highlight that various factors such as moisture availability, nutrients, and environmental conditions significantly influence tree growth, complicating the interpretation of ring patterns. The reliability of tree rings is questioned, particularly in light of changing carbon levels over time and their potential impact on growth. Overall, there is skepticism about the accuracy of deriving precise temperature data from tree ring width or density, suggesting that the methodology may be flawed or overly simplistic.
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As historical thermometers, tree rings are so bad scientists have to cherry pick samples, removing those that do not exhibit a desired response and so inconsistent as to be useless for temperature reconstruction.
I won't say who said it, but does this sound right to you? Dendrochronolgists on TV all say it so easy, you count the tree rings and the space in between, and that will tell you about the temperature and precipitation and how long the tree lived.
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As historic thermometers, tree rings are adequate, because confounding factors like moisture availability, nutrients, etc... are accurately known
This sounds kind of dumb, but what about carbon dating? We assume the ambient carbon (or something like that) stayed the same the whole time. But didn't it change? What about between mass extinctions?
 
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I don't see how tree rings can be reliable.

Various factors go into a tree's growth pattern. Fertilization, sunlight, precipitation, temperature, and probably others I haven't considered. All of which can vary in different ways over the years.

I frankly think they are fooling themselves when they say they can extract accurate temperature data from the ring width or density.
 
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