How to attach wheel to axel? and how to choose motor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of a vehicle, specifically focusing on how to attach wheels to an axle and the selection of a suitable pneumatic motor. Participants explore various technical aspects related to axle design, wheel attachment methods, and the implications of using pneumatic power versus electric power.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on attaching wheels to an axle that is over 20 inches long and supports bicycle/tricycle wheels, emphasizing the need for a gear pre-built into the axle.
  • Another participant suggests methods for attaching wheels to the axle, including using a hub that can be welded or splined, and discusses the implications of having rigid versus free-rotating wheels based on the vehicle's movement needs.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the pneumatic motor's air consumption rating of 45 scfm and how it can generate 3/4 horsepower at 90 psi, questioning the efficiency of pneumatic power for the vehicle.
  • One participant calculates the effective operating time of the pneumatic motor based on the tank's capacity and pressure, suggesting that the initial plan may require reevaluation.
  • A later reply indicates a shift in plans towards using electricity instead of pneumatic power, citing efficiency concerns with mechanical energy storage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using pneumatic power for the vehicle, with some questioning its efficiency and safety, while others explore the technical aspects of wheel attachment. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to power the vehicle.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about tank pressure safety, air consumption calculations, and the efficiency of different power sources, but these assumptions are not fully explored or resolved.

Le Luc
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I need to know how to attach a wheel to an axel, but first of all, i need an axel with a gear pre-built into it. The axel needs to be over 20 inches long (because that is the width of my vehicle) and support bicycle/tricycle wheels.

Does anyone know of such wheels and axels? (The wheels have to be thin).
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My second problem is choosing a motor for my vehicle.

The motor will be pneumatic and run off of a tank with a capacity of probably a little over 7127 inches cubed at ~100-110 psi.
I want to get a motor from here: http://psiautomation.com/model_specs.cfm?horsepower=0.75&model=DVA-003
But my main concern is the air consumption rating of 45 scfm. And my big question is how something that takes in 90psi can generate 3/4 horsepower. How does that happen?

Finally, if i can't supply enough air to the motor using a tank, could probably just put an electric generator in with the air inflator to make it move.
 
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Le Luc said:
I need to know how to attach a wheel to an axel, but first of all, i need an axel with a gear pre-built into it. The axel needs to be over 20 inches long (because that is the width of my vehicle) and support bicycle/tricycle wheels.
An axle (not axel, which is a move in ice skating) is a shaft that can be either fixed or can rotate with the wheel. Since the drive gear will be attached to the axle, the axle will need to rotate.
You could attach a hub to the axle and bolt the wheel to the hub. The hub could be permanently attached (welded) or the end of the axle could be splined, matching internal splines in the hub, or the end of the axle could have a groove that matches a groove inside the hub. A Woodruff key would hold the hub and wheel in place. If your vehicle only needs to move in a straight line, it's OK to have both rear wheels rigidly attached to the axle. If the vehicle needs to be able to turn, you could let the non-drive wheel rotate freely on the axle.

On bicycles and many motorcycles, the drive gear is firmly attached to the rear wheel, and the axle does not revolve.
 
Le Luc said:
The motor will be pneumatic and run off of a tank with a capacity of probably a little over 7127 inches cubed at ~100-110 psi.
Le Luc said:
Finally, if i can't supply enough air to the motor using a tank, could probably just put an electric generator in with the air inflator to make it move.
Mechanical storage of energy is not very volume efficient or weight efficient. Chemical storage (in gasoline or a battery) is more efficient. Why are you wanting to make this vehicle run on pneumatic power?
 
Le Luc said:
tank with a capacity of probably a little over 7127 inches cubed at ~100-110 psi

Le Luc said:
air consumption rating of 45 scfm

First, and most important, where are you getting this tank? 110 psi is a lot of pressure and can be quite deadly if the tank is not designed for such pressure.

Your 7127 cu inch tank holds about 4 cubic feet. If the pressure is 110 psig, the tank holds about 4 * 110/14.7= 31 scf. So the best you're going to do is operate for about 31/45 = 0.7 minutes or 40 seconds. And that doesn't account for the tank pressure dropping as the contents are depleted -- after all, the air motor needs some pressure to run (you need to get that number from the motor specs). It sounds like you have more thinking to do on this plan.
 
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gmax137 said:
First, and most important, where are you getting this tank? 110 psi is a lot of pressure and can be quite deadly if the tank is not designed for such pressure.

Your 7127 cu inch tank holds about 4 cubic feet. If the pressure is 110 psig, the tank holds about 4 * 110/14.7= 31 scf. So the best you're going to do is operate for about 31/45 = 0.7 minutes or 40 seconds. And that doesn't account for the tank pressure dropping as the contents are depleted -- after all, the air motor needs some pressure to run (you need to get that number from the motor specs). It sounds like you have more thinking to do on this plan.

My plans already have changed. I planned on using 3" schedual 40 pvc pipe for the tank.
My vehicle will probably be using electricity from now on.
 

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