How to Determine the EMF of a Battery Using Two Voltmeters?

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To determine the EMF of a battery using two voltmeters, the readings from each voltmeter (0.9V and 0.6V) and their combined reading (0.45V) indicate the influence of their internal resistances. The discussion emphasizes the difference between ideal and real voltmeters, noting that real voltmeters have finite resistance, affecting the voltage readings. To solve for the EMF, simultaneous equations must be established, incorporating the resistances of the voltmeters and the battery. The equations V1 = EMF - I1*RB and V2 = EMF - I2*RB are essential, with I1 and I2 defined in terms of the voltmeter readings and their resistances. Ultimately, the EMF can be calculated by analyzing the circuit with both voltmeters connected and accounting for their combined resistance.
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We have to measure emf of a battery. We have to voltmeters. Each of them when connected alone across the battery, they read V1 = 0.9V and V2 = 0.6V and when both of them are connected to the battery simultaneously, they both read V3 = 0.45V . What is the emf of battery

Homework Equations


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I don't know how to proceed...I thought the voltage across the battery will be it's emf when connceted without a load but it is showing different readings for the voltmeter
 
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Find out the difference between an "ideal" voltmeter and a "real" voltmeter. Likewise ideal and real batteries.
 
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ideal voltmeter-Which doesn't influence the circuit

Real voltmeter-Which has resistance that is not infinitely largeSame for battery
 
okay so it makes sense that it shows different readings now...but still How can I proceed if they have different resistance
 
Ok so you will need to decide how many unknowns there are and give them names (eg R1 is the resistance of Voltmeter 1).

Then write some simultaneous equations and if you have enough then you can solve them.
 
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V1=E- I1R1
V2=E-I2R2
V3=E-I3R3

It's getting bigger to solve as I tried
 
In the last case,when we connect the voltmeters ,my book states that I3=I1+I2 but I am not sure How it came
 
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V1=E- I1R1
V2=E-I2R2
V3=E-I3R3

I don't think those are correct. What about the battery resistance? With just one voltmeter connected the circuit looks like this...

Battery Circuit.jpg


So the equations would be

V1 = EMF - (I1*RB)
you also know
I1 = V1/R1

V2 = EMF - (I2*RB)
you also know
I2 = V2/R2

With both meters connected...

V3 = EMF - (I3*RB)
you also know
I3 = V3/R3
and
R3 = R1 in parallel with R2
 

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