How to Determine the Mass of Bananas Using a Spring Scale

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass of a bunch of bananas using a spring scale, which is set into vertical oscillatory motion. The problem involves concepts from harmonic motion, specifically the relationship between amplitude, maximum speed, and spring constants.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss how to relate the amplitude and maximum speed to the period of oscillation and subsequently to the mass of the bananas. There are attempts to derive formulas related to maximum velocity in simple harmonic motion.

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Some participants have offered guidance on deriving relevant equations and clarifying the sinusoidal nature of the motion. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further explanation, particularly for those less familiar with trigonometry and harmonic motion concepts.

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One participant notes their limited background in trigonometry, which may affect their ability to engage with the mathematical aspects of the problem. There is also mention of specific formulas that may be found in textbooks, indicating a reliance on external resources for clarification.

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Homework Statement



At an outdoor market, a bunch of bananas is
set on a spring scale to measure the weight.
The spring sets the full bunch of bananas into
vertical oscillatory motion, which is harmonic
with an amplitude 0.14 m. The maximum
speed of the bananas is observed to be 2 m/s.
What is the mass of the bananas? The
spring of the scale has a force constant
523 N/m.

Homework Equations


The equations I have learned are Hooke's Law (-kx=F) and period of a spring = T = 2pi sqrt(m/k)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to solve this problem, but I'm not sure how I can use the amplitude and velocity to determine the period, which I would then use to find mass. THANK YOU
 
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Boxlife27 said:

Homework Statement



At an outdoor market, a bunch of bananas is
set on a spring scale to measure the weight.
The spring sets the full bunch of bananas into
vertical oscillatory motion, which is harmonic
with an amplitude 0.14 m. The maximum
speed of the bananas is observed to be 2 m/s.
What is the mass of the bananas? The
spring of the scale has a force constant
523 N/m.


Homework Equations


The equations I have learned are Hooke's Law (-kx=F) and period of a spring = T = 2pi sqrt(m/k)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to solve this problem, but I'm not sure how I can use the amplitude and velocity to determine the period, which I would then use to find mass. THANK YOU
Start by writing an expression for the vertical position of the bananas as a function of time. Let A = the amplitude.
 
Thanks. So, f(t) = (2m/s) (.14) to find the time? Something like this?
 
Boxlife27 said:
Thanks. So, f(t) = (2m/s) (.14) to find the time? Something like this?

No.

f(t) is sinusoidal.

You don't know the amplitude at this point, so call it A or something.
 
Sorry, I'm only a soph in high school, barely taken trigonometry. Would you explain this a bit more, please? Thank you
 
Boxlife27 said:

Homework Equations


The equations I have learned are Hooke's Law (-kx=F) and period of a spring = T = 2pi sqrt(m/k)

What about the formulas for the maximum velocity and acceleration in simple harmonic motion, given the amplitude and the frequency? (You don't need the acceleration formula, for this question).

Sammy S is trying to get you to derive those formulas yourself using trig, but they are probably in your textbook.
 
Thank you both. Would I use the equation
Vmax = xMax * sqrt (k/mass)?
 
Yes! I just entered the answer and it is correct. Thank you both.
 
Boxlife27 said:
Yes! I just entered the answer and it is correct. Thank you both.
Yup!

Good !
 

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