How to find eigenvectors/eigenspinors

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvectors (or eigenspinors) of a given spin operator matrix, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics. The matrix in question is defined in terms of a parameter α, and the participants are tasked with expressing the eigenvectors in relation to the S_z spinor basis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors, noting that the eigenvalue equations lead to dependent equations. There is uncertainty about how to isolate variables a and b in the eigenvector equations, with some suggesting the use of normalization conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of dependent equations in eigenvalue problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of one equation to find the ratio of a to b, and the need for normalization, but no consensus has been reached on a complete solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. The discussion reflects a common challenge in linear algebra related to eigenvalue problems.

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Homework Statement



Hi all, I have a net spin operator that the problem has asked me to find:S=\frac{\hbar}{2} \left(\begin{array}{cc}\cos\alpha&\sin\alpha\\\sin\alpha&-\cos\alpha\end{array}\right) and I need to write out the matrix representation with respect to the S_z spinor basis.

Homework Equations



I know that to do this, I need to find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors (or eigenspinors) of this matrix, and then rewrite them in terms of the S_z basis. From the characteristic equation of this matrix, I have found the eigenvalues to be \pm\frac{\hbar}{2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I am pretty confident with most of this problem, however, when I try to find the eigenvectors of the spin operator above, I end up with this:

\left(\begin{array}{cc}\cos\alpha&\sin\alpha\\\sin\alpha&-\cos\alpha\end{array}\right) \left(\begin{array}{cc}a\\b\end{array}\right) = \left(\begin{array}{cc}a\\b\end{array}\right)
I can't seem to solve these equations for a or b in order to find the eigenspinors, as once I substitute one equation into the other, the a and the b cancel out, and I'm wondering if there is a simple step that I am missing.

Many thanks in advance
 
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mark.laidlaw19 said:

Homework Statement



Hi all, I have a net spin operator that the problem has asked me to find:S=\frac{\hbar}{2} \left(\begin{array}{cc}\cos\alpha&\sin\alpha\\\sin\alpha&-\cos\alpha\end{array}\right) and I need to write out the matrix representation with respect to the S_z spinor basis.

Homework Equations



I know that to do this, I need to find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors (or eigenspinors) of this matrix, and then rewrite them in terms of the S_z basis. From the characteristic equation of this matrix, I have found the eigenvalues to be \pm\frac{\hbar}{2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I am pretty confident with most of this problem, however, when I try to find the eigenvectors of the spin operator above, I end up with this:

\left(\begin{array}{cc}\cos\alpha&\sin\alpha\\\sin\alpha&-\cos\alpha\end{array}\right) \left(\begin{array}{cc}a\\b\end{array}\right) = \left(\begin{array}{cc}a\\b\end{array}\right)
I can't seem to solve these equations for a or b in order to find the eigenspinors, as once I substitute one equation into the other, the a and the b cancel out, and I'm wondering if there is a simple step that I am missing.

Many thanks in advance

From your eigenvector equation you obtain:

a cos(\alpha) + b sin(\alpha) = a
\frac{a}{b} = \frac{sin (\alpha)}{1 - cos(\alpha)}

Can you use the double angle identity to simplify this? ##\sin2x = 2sinx cos x## and ##sin^2x = \frac{1- cos2x}{2}##
 
mark.laidlaw19 said:

Homework Statement



Hi all, I have a net spin operator that the problem has asked me to find:S=\frac{\hbar}{2} \left(\begin{array}{cc}\cos\alpha&\sin\alpha\\\sin\alpha&-\cos\alpha\end{array}\right) and I need to write out the matrix representation with respect to the S_z spinor basis.

Homework Equations



I know that to do this, I need to find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors (or eigenspinors) of this matrix, and then rewrite them in terms of the S_z basis. From the characteristic equation of this matrix, I have found the eigenvalues to be \pm\frac{\hbar}{2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I am pretty confident with most of this problem, however, when I try to find the eigenvectors of the spin operator above, I end up with this:

\left(\begin{array}{cc}\cos\alpha&\sin\alpha\\\sin\alpha&-\cos\alpha\end{array}\right) \left(\begin{array}{cc}a\\b\end{array}\right) = \left(\begin{array}{cc}a\\b\end{array}\right)
I can't seem to solve these equations for a or b in order to find the eigenspinors, as once I substitute one equation into the other, the a and the b cancel out, and I'm wondering if there is a simple step that I am missing.

Many thanks in advance

Off course it does. That's always going to be true for an eigenvalue equation. You already found the eigenvalues and subbed them into the eigenvalue equation. That means the two equations are not independent anymore. If you use both of them you just get an identity such as 1=1 (duh...) What you have to do is use only one of the equations to find a/b like unscientific did and than impose some normalization condition on the resultant eigenvector.
 
dauto said:
Off course it does. That's always going to be true for an eigenvalue equation. You already found the eigenvalues and subbed them into the eigenvalue equation. That means the two equations are not independent anymore. If you use both of them you just get an identity such as 1=1 (duh...) What you have to do is use only one of the equations to find a/b like unscientific did and than impose some normalization condition on the resultant eigenvector.

Exactly, because both equations are exactly the same, simply rearranged.
 

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