How to find initial velocity without being given time

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The problem involves a projectile launched at an angle, requiring the determination of initial velocity and time without direct time information. The context includes kinematics and projectile motion principles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to break down the velocity into components and apply kinematic equations, raising questions about the accuracy of their assumptions regarding height and time. Other participants introduce alternative variable conventions and clarify terminology.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the kinematic equations and discussing variable conventions. There is no explicit consensus on the approach, but some guidance on terminology and variable usage has been provided.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of differing conventions for variables in different regions, which may affect understanding. The original poster's approach to isolating time is questioned, particularly due to the projectile not landing at the same height from which it was launched.

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Homework Statement


a projectile is launched at an angle of 26.5 above the horizontal at a height of 1.11m. the range is 2.331m. find the initial velocity and time given that acceleration due to gravity is 9.8m/s^2.

The Attempt at a Solution


first, I split the velocity into its components:

v1x = v1cos26.5
v1y = v1cos26.5

then,
v1x = dx/t
v1cos26.5 = dx/t
rearranged to isolate for time since it is not given:
t = dx/ v1cos26.5

also, using the kinematic equation: v2y^2 = v1y^2 + 2at
and since at the projectile's max, v2y = 0m/s and since the max occurs at t*(0.5) ***(but I think this is inaccurate because the projectile does not land at the same height in which it was released)

so,
v2y^2 = v1y^2 + 2at
0 = v1y^2 + 2(9.8)(t/2)

then isolate for t again,

t = 2(v1y)^2 / 4.9
or
t = 2(v1sin26.5)^2 / 4.9

then make each isolated time equation equal one another:

dx/v1cos26.5 = 2(v1sin26.5)^2 / 4.9

then isolate for v1:
v1 = sqrt( 4.9*dx / (sin26.5cos26.5) )
since dx = 2.331,
v1 = sqrt( 4.9*2.331/ (sin26.5cos26.5) )
v1= 5.35m/s

Therefore, v1 = 5.35m/s

then for time,
v1x = dx/t
t = dx/v1cos26.5
= 2.331 / 5.35cos(26.5)
= 0.487s

Therefore, t = 0.49s
 
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Qwerty123! said:
using the kinematic equation: v2y^2 = v1y^2 + 2at
Hi Qwerty123!. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

The correct equation is v2 = u2 + 2as :(

See how you go now.
 
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Thanks for replying. :). I'm not familiar with the variables u and s?
 
Qwerty123! said:
Thanks for replying. :). I'm not familiar with the variables u and s?
It's a common convention to let u be the initial velocity and s represent distance ("s"pace I suppose).
 
NascentOxygen said:
Hi Qwerty123!

The correct equation is v2 = u2 + 2as :(

See how you go now.
Maybe you'd like it as: v2y^2 = v1y^2 + 2.a.d
where that last term involves the y component of acceleration times distance in y direction.

Check your course notes.
 
gneill said:
It's a common convention to let u be the initial velocity and s represent distance ("s"pace I suppose).
This actually varies between countries and even states. For example in Victoria, Australia, x is used for distances. However Queensland uses s.

I can't remember where I saw it but there's a webpage out there that lists the most common ones.
 

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