How to Maximize the Height in a Newton's Cradle with Unequal Masses?

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The problem involves a Newton's Cradle consisting of three suspended steel balls with unequal masses. The original poster seeks to determine how to choose the mass of one ball to maximize the height reached by another ball after a series of elastic collisions, given that the initial ball is raised and released from a height.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive an expression for the maximum height reached by one of the balls in terms of the masses involved. They express uncertainty about how to maximize this height. Some participants suggest using calculus to find the maximum of the derived function.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions involved. Some have proposed methods for maximizing the height function, while others are exploring the implications of the derived equations. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, with discussions about potential roots of the derivative and alternative approaches to finding a solution.

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The problem is noted to be from a test with a time constraint, which raises questions about the efficiency of the methods being discussed. There is also mention of the need to find roots of a cubic equation related to maximizing height.

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Homework Statement


An executive toy consists of three suspended steel balls of masses M, n and m arranged in order with their centres in a horizontal line. The ball of mass M is drawn aside in their common plane until its centre has been raised by h and is then released. if M ≠ m and all collisions are elastic, how must n be chosen so that the ball of mass m rises to the gratest possible height? What is that height? (Neglect multiple collisions)

Homework Equations


velocity after a perfectly elastic collision
v2' = (m2 - m1)v2/(m1+m2) + 2m1v1/(m1+m2)

The Attempt at a Solution


After releasing M, its vellocity immediately before the first collision is
V = \sqrt{2gh}

Then, M collides with n, and n's velocity immediately after collision is
v = \frac{2M}{M+n}\sqrt{2gh}

Analogously, m's velocity immediately after n colides
u = \frac{2n}{n+m}\frac{2M}{M+n}\sqrt{2gh}

m shall rises H
mu^{2}/2 = mgH

H = 16h\frac{M^{2}n^{2}}{(M+n)^{2}(m+n)^{2}}

How am I supposed to maximize H from it? What should be done to solve it?
 
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Looks good so far. You have found H as a function of n. Are you familiar with using calculus to find the maximum of a function?
 
But if you derivate with respect to n, you get
2n³ + (M+m-1)n² - (M+m)n - Mm = 0
probably, three roots, one of them might get H to max. The problem is to find these roots.
By the way, this problem is from a test which you should take 8 minutes each question: there must be a better way to solve it.
 
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I've found a solution
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What sorcery did it do to get n = √(Mm)??
 
Note that the equation H = 16h\frac{M^{2}n^{2}}{(M+n)^{2}(m+n)^{2}} can be written as $$H = 16hM^2\left(\frac{n}{(M+n)(m+n)}\right)^2$$

H will be maximum when the expression ##\frac{n}{(M+n)(m+n)}## is a maximum. So, you just need to maximize the function $$f(n) = \frac{n}{(M+n)(m+n)}$$
 
Oh, thanks, TSny, I didn't see the reply. I got it
 

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