How to relate mass defect to kinetic energies?

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The discussion centers on understanding the relationship between mass defect and kinetic energies in nuclear reactions. Participants explore the concept of the Q-factor, which represents the energy difference between initial and final products, and its connection to kinetic energy in the context of particle decay. They clarify that the equations for Q are valid in the rest frame of the parent particle, emphasizing that kinetic energy can be present even when the parent particle is moving. The conversation also touches on how to express Q in terms of rest masses and kinetic energies of the particles involved in decay. Ultimately, the participants converge on the idea that the question likely seeks to relate Q to the energies of the decaying and resulting particles.
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Homework Statement


Just one more nuclear question if I may,

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I can do the first part of this question, but am unsure on the second part. I thought it may be related to the Q-factor (the difference in energy of the initial and final products for a reaction) but I'm not sure. And how can the parent products have kinetic energy? is it moving?

Does it relate to this diagram (sorry for the quality, my paint skills have decayed exponentially since my teenage years)

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Or am I right in thinking it wants the Q-factor equation which would be somethihng like ##
Q = M_{parent} - M_{daughter}> 0\\\\
Q= \sum E_{k}##

thanks again for any ideas.
 
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rwooduk said:
And how can the parent products have kinetic energy? is it moving?
There are always frames where the parent particle is moving.
What are P_min and P_max?
Those equations for Q are true in the rest frame of the parent particle only.
 
mfb said:
There are always frames where the parent particle is moving.
What are P_min and P_max?
Those equations for Q are true in the rest frame of the parent particle only.

P_min and P_max relate to the graph for beta decay wiht intensity vs momentum, and describe how the particles have different directions for min and max. I'm unsure if it's related.

What do you think the question is trying to get at?

thanks again for the reply
 
In the rest frame, you know the sum of kinetic energies is always the same (it is Q).
How is Q related to the rest masses of the particles?
 
mfb said:
In the rest frame, you know the sum of kinetic energies is always the same (it is Q).
How is Q related to the rest masses of the particles?

If you had 2 particles decaying into 2 other particles it would be

##Q=\Delta mc ^{2}=(m_{A}+m_{B})c^{2}-(m_{C}+m_{D})c^{2}= E_{Kin,C}+ E_{Kin,D}-E_{Kin,A}-E_{Kin,B}##

hmm have I just answered the question?
 
Particle decay is always a process of a single particle (can be composite like a hadron, but then it is still a single object).
 
mfb said:
Particle decay is always a process of a single particle (can be composite like a hadron, but then it is still a single object).

Good point, I'm not sure why that is given in the notes, perhaps just an example of what Q is.

So

##Q=\Delta mc ^{2}=E_{Kin,A}-E_{Kin,B}-E_{Kin,C}## where A is the decaying particle and B and C are the products, would you think that would be what the question is asking for?
 
Probably.
 
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