How will this Buoyant-Wind/Helium Powered Kite fly in air?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a concept model of a buoyant-wind/helium powered kite designed to operate at high altitudes and harness wind energy. Participants explore the aerodynamics, energy harvesting potential, and design considerations for the kite, including the use of turbines and solar panels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on the aerodynamics of their kite model, emphasizing the need for high vertical lift from wind energy.
  • Another participant questions the aerodynamic themes of the design and requests references to existing high-altitude kites and wind energy harvesting systems.
  • Concerns are raised about the placement of the kite in relation to wind turbines, noting that turbines extract energy from the wind and can create wind shadows.
  • Discussion includes the importance of wing efficiency related to aspect ratio, referencing the design of gliders and high-altitude aircraft.
  • Participants suggest incorporating piezoelectric strips and flexible solar panels into the kite's design for additional energy harvesting.
  • One participant corrects another regarding the terminology, stating that wind speed, not wind gradient, is what increases at higher altitudes, and mentions potential issues with wind shear for large turbines.
  • There is a mention of using tension in the cable of kite systems to power generators on the ground, which could save weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the aerodynamic principles and design considerations for the kite, particularly regarding the effects of wind speed and turbine placement. No consensus is reached on the optimal design or operational parameters.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various design elements and principles without providing definitive solutions or established facts. The discussion includes assumptions about energy extraction and the implications of design choices, which remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in kite design, aerodynamics, renewable energy systems, and high-altitude energy harvesting may find this discussion relevant.

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I created a model on autodesk inventor of a concept model kite that would stay in high altitudes and take in wind energy through the cone opening. Is there any advice you can give me about the aerodynamics of this model? (There are balloons that provide lift above the wings, and I want the highest vertical lift from the wind)
 

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Primestar2017 said:
I created a model on autodesk inventor of a concept model kite that would stay in high altitudes and take in wind energy through the cone opening. Is there any advice you can give me about the aerodynamics of this model? (There are balloons that provide lift above the wings, and I want the highest vertical lift from the wind)
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Fun drawing, but I'm not following the aerodynamic themes. What do high-altitude kites look like already? What do wind energy harvesting kites look like now? Can you post some links to the reading you've done so far on this subject? I'm pretty sure that some wind energy harvesting kits are in development and in field trials now.

Also, why do you want to focus on high-altitude for this? Can you post some of your thoughts on the amount of wind energy that is available at different altitudes?
 
Some more things to think about...

Wind turbines extract energy from the wind slowing it down in the process. So it would be best not to put your kite in the wind shadow of the turbine mounted on it.

The efficiency of a wing is related to it's aspect ratio (= span/chord). This is why gliders and high altitude spy planes from the 1960s have long narrow wings rather than short fat ones.
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Fun drawing, but I'm not following the aerodynamic themes. What do high-altitude kites look like already? What do wind energy harvesting kites look like now? Can you post some links to the reading you've done so far on this subject? I'm pretty sure that some wind energy harvesting kits are in development and in field trials now.

Also, why do you want to focus on high-altitude for this? Can you post some of your thoughts on the amount of wind energy that is available at different altitudes?
I want to focus on a high-altitude because I read that at higher altitudes, there is a higher wind gradient that would produce more wind energy for my kite.

Here are a few pictures that show where my team got the inspiration for the kite.
 

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CWatters said:
Some more things to think about...

Wind turbines extract energy from the wind slowing it down in the process. So it would be best not to put your kite in the wind shadow of the turbine mounted on it.

The efficiency of a wing is related to it's aspect ratio (= span/chord). This is why gliders and high altitude spy planes from the 1960s have long narrow wings rather than short fat ones.

Thank you for your input about putting our kite in the wind shadow of the turbines, CWatters. Can you give us any advice on where we should put the turbines instead?
 
In addition, we hope to have piezoelectric strips along the outer sides of the kite wings, and to have the skin on the top of the kite covered in flexible solar panels. What are your inputs on this?

Thank you.
 
I think you mean the wind speed not the wind gradient is greater the higher you go. It's the wind speed that matters. Wind gradients or wind shear can cause problems for large turbines.

I believe most kite systems use tension in the cable to power a generator on the ground (weight saving).
 

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