How would I find the magnitude of this wave.(complex numbers/quanties)

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The discussion revolves around finding the magnitude of the wave function ψ(y,t) = 2e^(iky)e^(iωt) + 4e^(iky)e^(-iωt). Participants analyze the expression and suggest rewriting it to highlight the sinusoidal components, leading to the realization that it represents two traveling waves with different amplitudes. The magnitude is dependent on time, and one participant initially calculates it as (20 + 16cos(ωt))^1/2, but later acknowledges this is incorrect. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly determining the combined amplitude of the two waves to find the accurate magnitude. The final consensus indicates that the correct magnitude calculation requires further clarification and effort.
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ψ(y,t)=2*e^(iky)*e^(iωt) + 4*e^(iky)*e^(-iωt)
Here is my work for the problem
2e^(iky)*(e^(iωt)+2e^(-iωt)); 2e^(iky)*(cos(ωt)+i*sin(ωt)+2cos(ωt)-2i*sin(ωt));
2e^(iky)*(3cos(ωt)-isin(ωt))
How would you continue this problem?
 
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You are asked for the absolute value (or magnitude) of 2e^{iky}(3\cos(\omega t)-i\sin(\omega t)).
I'm sure you know how to calculate the magnitude of a complex number.
The magnitude will depend on time.
 
My advice would be to rewrite the wave in the form:

\Psi(y,t) = 2e^{i(ky + \omega t)} + 4e^{i(ky - \omega t)}

and it should be obvious from this form that you have the sum of two sinusoidal waves, one traveling to the left (er, negative y-direction) with amplitude 2, and the other to the right (+ y-direction) with amplitude 4. If that is not obvious, then consider that if this is really a physical wave propagating along the y-axis, then the physical wave is given by:

Re[\Psi(y,t)] = 2\cos{(ky + \omega t)} + 4\cos{(ky - \omega t)}

To be honest, I'm not sure how/don't feel like putting in the effort at this hour to calculate the combined amplitude of the two waves, and whether that corresponds to the magnitude of the complex number psi.

Edit, just saw Galileo's post, so maybe I was way off on this one/answering the wrong question.
 
How do you edit posts?
Anyway I end up getting (20+16cos(wt))^1/2 for my magnitude.
 
The magnitude of 2e^{iky}(3\cos(\omega t)-i\sin(\omega t)) is not \sqrt{20+16\cos(\omega t)}.
Try again.

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The working out suggests first equating ## \sqrt{i} = x + iy ## and suggests that squaring and equating real and imaginary parts of both sides results in ## \sqrt{i} = \pm (1+i)/ \sqrt{2} ## Squaring both sides results in: $$ i = (x + iy)^2 $$ $$ i = x^2 + 2ixy -y^2 $$ equating real parts gives $$ x^2 - y^2 = 0 $$ $$ (x+y)(x-y) = 0 $$ $$ x = \pm y $$ equating imaginary parts gives: $$ i = 2ixy $$ $$ 2xy = 1 $$ I'm not really sure how to proceed from here.
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