Hydrogen Radial Equation: Recursion Relation & Laguerre Polynomials

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the translation of the recursion relation for the hydrogen radial equation into a form that aligns with the definition of Laguerre polynomials, as presented in quantum mechanics coursework, specifically referencing Griffiths' textbook. Participants explore various definitions and methods related to Laguerre polynomials and their connection to the radial wavefunction of the hydrogen atom.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a derivation that connects the recursion relation to the definition of Laguerre polynomials, indicating a gap in their understanding despite grasping the overall technique.
  • Another participant questions which definition of Laguerre polynomials is being used, suggesting that definitions may vary.
  • A participant presents their recursion relation for coefficients in the context of quantum numbers and seeks to match it with a specific definition from Arfken & Weber.
  • It is noted that there are multiple ways to define Laguerre polynomials, including through differential equations, recursion relations, and Rodrigues' formula, with some methods being more useful than others.
  • A participant shares a resource they found helpful, indicating that it provides a better treatment of the topic.
  • One participant expresses that manipulating the associated Laguerre ordinary differential equation (ODE) is easier than using the recursion relation, suggesting a preference for this approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best method to connect the recursion relation to Laguerre polynomials, and multiple competing views on definitions and approaches remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention different definitions of Laguerre polynomials and their implications for deriving the recursion relation, indicating that the discussion is influenced by varying interpretations and methods of derivation.

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I'm in the first of 3 courses in quantum mechanics, and we just started chapter 4 of Griffiths. He goes into great detail in most of the solution of the radial equation, except for one part: translating the recursion relation into a form that matches the definition of the Laguerre polynomials. Now I understand the technique that gets all the way to that point, but I have yet to find any derivation that actually shows how that recursion relation is made to match the right form. I spent a while on it but I can't get it quite right. Can anyone show, or point me to a derivation that includes this detail? Thanks.
 
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And what definition of Laguerre's polynomials do you use ?
 
The recursion relation i have is:

cj+1= [itex]\frac{j+L+1-n}{(j+1)(j+2L+2)}[/itex]cj

for principle quantum number n, and orbital quantum number L, where the coefficients terminate after
jmax = n - L - 1

The definition I'm trying to match is the one in Arfken & Weber:

[itex]L^{k}_{N}[/itex] = [itex]\sum^{N}_{j=0}\frac{(-1)^j(N + k)!}{j!(N-j)!(k+j)!}x^j[/itex]

N = jmax = n - L - 1

k = 2L + 1
 
A number of documents on the web follow Griffiths' treatment, and try to add some explanation, especially at this point. The best one I've found is here.

The problem, as dextercioby says, lies in how you define the Laguerre polynomials. There are three ways you can do it: the DE, the recursion relation, and Rodrigues' formula (which is what Griffiths uses in Eqs. 4.87 and 4.88). Any one of these can be tied to the radial wavefunction for the hydrogen atom. The third is the least useful. :frown: and very difficult to derive from the others. The ref I gave above defines them via the DE and derives the recursion relation from that.
 
Wow it is so much easier to manipulate the [itex]\upsilon(\rho)[/itex] equation into the associated Laguerre ODE than to use the recursion relation. Thanks for your help!
 

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