I don't understand how a tension related to a torque would have this formula

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between tension, torque, and angular acceleration in a system involving a drum. Participants are examining the equations that connect these concepts, particularly focusing on the dimensional correctness of the formulas used.

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  • Participants are questioning the dimensional correctness of the equation T=Ia and exploring how tension relates to torque and angular acceleration. They are attempting to derive relationships between linear and angular quantities, specifically how linear acceleration relates to angular acceleration through the radius of the drum.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of linear and angular acceleration, as well as the proper use of variable names in the equations. Participants are also addressing the dimensional analysis of the equations presented.

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So I have a question which goes like this:

A 3.0 kg block rests on a 30° slope and is attached by a string of negligible mass to a solid drum of mass 0.85 kg and radius 5.0 cm, as shown in Fig. 10.29. When released, the block accelerates down the slope at 1.4 m/s2. What is the coefficient of friction between block and slope?

I've attached the diagram below. I've managed to find the answer, but I don't understand why the tension coming from the torque is T = IA/R^2, instead of just T = IA.

Thanks for the help!
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T = IA / R^2
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For one thing, T=Ia would be dimensionally wrong.

If the tension is T and the drum has radius r, what torque does the tension exert on the drum?
What equation relates the torque to I and to the angular acceleration, α?
What equation relates α to the radius and to the linear acceleration ?
Can you combine those to get the equation that puzzles you?
 
haruspex said:
For one thing, T=Ia would be dimensionally wrong.

If the tension is T and the drum has radius r, what torque does the tension exert on the drum?
What equation relates the torque to I and to the angular acceleration, α?
What equation relates α to the radius and to the linear acceleration ?
Can you combine those to get the equation that puzzles you?
@haruspex
I'm sorry for the late reply, I believe that the equation which relates the torque to I and the angular acceleration is T = Ia. And since the linear acceleration is that of a tangent to the drum, linear acceleration = a/r. I combine those to get the equation T = (Ia)/r. Is this correct?
 
KittyCat1534 said:
the equation which relates the torque to I and the angular acceleration is T = Ia.
In standard use of variable names, that would be ##\tau=I\alpha##.
In the equation you queried, ##T=\frac{Ia}{r^2}##, T is tension, not torque, and a is linear acceleration, not angular acceleration.

Dimensionally,
[T]=MLT-2
[τ]=ML2T-2
[a]=LT-2
[α]=T-2
[r]=L
[ I]=MR2
Use those to check the equations in post #1.

KittyCat1534 said:
linear acceleration = a/r
Here you are using a to mean angular acceleration, right? So in the above you are saying ##a=\frac{\alpha}r##? No, that's backwards: ##a=r\alpha ##.
 

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