I really do not get proofs AT ALL.

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The discussion revolves around understanding different types of mathematical proofs, specifically proof by exhaustion, constructive and nonconstructive proofs. Participants express confusion about how to approach these proofs and determine which method to use for specific problems.

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  • Homework-related, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a lack of understanding regarding proofs, particularly in the context of specific problems involving inequalities and integer solutions.
  • Another participant clarifies that "proof by exhaustion" refers to a case-by-case approach.
  • A later post discusses the nature of formal proofs, emphasizing adherence to logical rules and the variety of proof methods available.
  • There is mention of the importance of starting with a useful hypothesis and ending with a useful conclusion in proofs.
  • Participants question the specific rules that define "proof by exhaustion" and seek further clarification on its application.

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The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the understanding and application of different proof methods, with participants expressing varying levels of confusion and seeking clarification.

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Participants have not reached a resolution on how to approach the specific proof problems mentioned, and there are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and applications of the different types of proofs.

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I really do not get proofs AT ALL. Stuff like this...

"Prove that (n+1)2 [tex]\geq[/tex]3n if n is a positive integer with n[tex]\leq[/tex]4."

Proof by exhaustion would be applied here.. what the book tells me.




"Show that there are no solutions in integers x and y of x2+3y2=8."

Then there's also "Constructive Existence Proof" and "Nonconstructive proof". No idea how to do anyone of them. How do I approach those equations, and how do I know which proof I need to use??
 
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I've edited out some whining and language.
 


Something is a (formal) proof if and only if it adheres to a certain set of directions. (the rules of logic)

There is a wide variety of proofs, because the rules of logic allow many different possibilities at each step of the proof.

The "game" of proving things is to find a proof that starts with a useful hypothesis and ends with a useful conclusion. (And in this problem, you're told what the hypothesis and the conclusion are)



Now, what do the rules of logic say a "proof by exhaustion" is?
 

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