I with steam boiler + generator theory

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of a steam boiler and generator setup, specifically examining the relationship between potentiometer settings and efficiency outcomes in two different experimental groups. Participants explore the implications of their findings and seek to understand the discrepancies in efficiency results.

Discussion Character

  • Experimental/applied
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their group's data shows the highest potentiometer setting results in the lowest efficiency, while another group's data indicates the opposite trend.
  • Another participant explains that short-circuiting the load leads to zero power measurement, suggesting that internal losses in the generator affect efficiency calculations.
  • A participant questions why both groups report efficiencies below 1%, contrasting this with higher efficiencies observed in real steam turbines.
  • It is proposed that the small loads used in the experiments compared to the generator's rated power could contribute to the low efficiency, along with other independent losses in the generator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency outcomes related to potentiometer settings, and there is no consensus on the reasons behind the low efficiency values observed in their experiments.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors that could influence efficiency, including the size of the loads relative to the generator's rated power and internal losses in the generator, but these factors remain unresolved in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and educators involved in experimental physics, particularly those studying steam power generation and efficiency metrics in electrical systems.

khometmibro1
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Hi. My group and I did a practical the other day and we have to write a lab report on it using our data and the data of another group.

The steam boiler creates steam which is fed through a nozzle to a turbogenerator. The generator creates electricity, and this is fed into a loop with a potentiometer, like this:

http://i.imgur.com/auKVlzP.png

The strange thing is that for our group's data, the highest potentiometer setting gives the lowest efficiency. While for the other group's data, the highest setting gives the highest efficiency. AFAIK a potentiometer is simply a variable resistor.

What should be expected? If I know what to expect I will be able to understand who went wrong and where (probably). Thanks for the help.
 
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If you short circuit the load ( 0 Ω ), the load power will be measured 0 W, as the volt meter will show 0 V ( P = V * I ). Still power will be lost in the generator due to ohmic resistance in the coils, but these losses are internal, so the efficiency will be 0 %.

I vote for the other group. :frown:
 
Fair enough, that makes sense. Any other replies welcome :)
 
I have to ask another question: The efficiencies found both ours and other group's experiments are very small (<1%) while real steam turbines have much higher efficiencies (according to my googling)...

Would this have to do with the fact that our loads are also tiny, while real turbines would power whole cities?
 
khometmibro1 said:
Would this have to do with the fact that our loads are also tiny, compared to the generators rated power
( My verbal alteration ).

Yes. In the generator there also are power independent losses such as friction and iron-losses. This means that if the rated power is not made use of, the efficiency will fall.
 
Understood. Thankyou.
 

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