Ideal Gas Behavior: Choose the Right Diagram

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The discussion revolves around identifying which diagram best represents the behavior of an ideal gas, focusing on the relationships between pressure (P), volume (V), and temperature (T) as described by the ideal gas law.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the ideal gas law and its implications for different graphical representations of gas behavior. They question the relationships depicted in the graphs and how they align with the equations governing ideal gases.

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Several participants have provided insights into the relationships between P, V, and T, discussing the implications of constant values and slopes in the graphs. There is an ongoing exploration of why certain diagrams may be more accurate representations than others, with some participants affirming their understanding of the concepts involved.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the depth of their exploration and the information they can share. There is a focus on clarifying misunderstandings regarding the relationships between the variables in the context of the ideal gas law.

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Hi guys,

Can someone explain me please how to find the following question?
Which diagram represents the behavior of an ideal gas the most?

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I know it's C but I don't know why. They all seem to represent the behavior of a ideal gas.
But why C mor than the others?

Thanks
 

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What is the equation that relates P, V and T for an ideal gas?

What is the relationship between P and T if V is constant (first graph)?

What is the relationship between V and T if P is constant (second graph)?

What is the relationship between P and 1/V if T is constant (third graph)?

AM
 
What is the equation that relates P, V and T for an ideal gas?

P.V = n.R.T

What is the relationship between P and T if V is constant (first graph)?
==>T instead of V is constant here no(same values on x-axis)?

P.V = n.R. = constant so this should be wrong because there is a slope

What is the relationship between V and T if P is constant (second graph)?
isn't here also T constant instead of P?

V = n.R /P
So if V rises than P has to decline
This graph would not be possible because T is constant and P and V both rise.What is the relationship between P and 1/V if T is constant (third graph)?

Volume here is constant(same values on x-axis)
P= n.R.T (So if P rises T has to Rise too)
In this case they both rise so it would also be possible
 
b_andries said:
What is the equation that relates P, V and T for an ideal gas?

P.V = n.R.T
You don't need the .'s. Just: PV = nRT
What is the relationship between P and T if V is constant (first graph)?
==>T instead of V is constant here no(same values on x-axis)?
No. P is on the y-axis and T is on the x axis. Each line represents the points (P,T) for which V has the same value (that value is stated at the end of the line).

What is the relationship between V and T if P is constant (second graph)?
isn't here also T constant instead of P?
No. V is on the y-axis and T is on the x axis. Each line represents the points (V,T) for which P has the same value (that value is stated at the end of the line).

What is the relationship between P and 1/V if T is constant (third graph)?

Volume here is constant(same values on x-axis)
No. P is on the y-axis and 1/V is on the x axis. Each line represents the points (P,1/V) for which T has the same value (that value is stated at the end of the line).

AM
 
Ok thanks,

Now i know what I've done wrong
 
b_andries said:
Ok thanks,

Now i know what I've done wrong
Can you explain why c) is the correct answer (and why a) and b) do not fit: PV=nRT?)

AM
 
P(1/V)= nRT 1/V (function P with respect to 1/V)
So here nRT represents the slope of the graph
A larger Temperature gives a larger slope, which is what diagram C shows
So diagram C is correct.


P(T) = nR/V T(function P with respect to T)
So nR/V represents the slope of the graph
A Larger volume should give smaller slope, but in diagram A, larger V gives larger slope.
So diagram A is wrong.


V(T) = nR/P T(function V with respect to T)
So nR/P represents the slope of the graph
A Larger Pressure should give a smaller slope, but in diagram B, larger Pressure gives a larger slope.
Thus diagram B is wrong.

Am I correct?
 
b_andries said:
P(1/V)= nRT 1/V (function P with respect to 1/V)
So here nRT represents the slope of the graph
A larger Temperature gives a larger slope, which is what diagram C shows
So diagram C is correct.


P(T) = nR/V T(function P with respect to T)
So nR/V represents the slope of the graph
A Larger volume should give smaller slope, but in diagram A, larger V gives larger slope.
So diagram A is wrong.


V(T) = nR/P T(function V with respect to T)
So nR/P represents the slope of the graph
A Larger Pressure should give a smaller slope, but in diagram B, larger Pressure gives a larger slope.
Thus diagram B is wrong.

Am I correct?
Yes. Very well explained.

AM
 

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