Ideal gas law and thermodyanimic processes

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An ideal gas in a cylinder with a movable piston undergoes a rapid expansion from volume V1 to V2=8.5V1 without heat exchange or work done, making it an isothermal process. The pressure after expansion is calculated as p2=p1/8.5, while the temperature remains unchanged at T2=T1. The change in entropy is derived as ΔS=nRln(8.5), but the user struggles to express it in terms of p1, T1, n, and R as required. Attempts to substitute numerical values for ln(8.5) have been unsuccessful. Clarification from the professor may be necessary to resolve the formatting issue for the entropy calculation.
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Homework Statement


An ideal gas is enclosed in a cylinder with a movable piston at the top. The walls of the cylinder are insulated, so no heat can enter or exit. The gas initially occupies volume V1 and has pressure p1 and temperature T1. The piston is then moved very rapidly to a volume of V2=8.5V1. The process happens so rapidly that the enclosed gas does not do any work.

Find p2, T2, and the change in entropy of the gas. [Express your answers in terms of p1, T1, n, and R.]


Homework Equations


p1V1=p2V2
pV=nRT
ΔS=nRln(Vf/Vi)

The Attempt at a Solution



To determine p2 I used the relationship p1V1=p2V2

p2=(p1V1)/V2

p2=(p1V1)/(8.5V1)

p2=(p1)/8.5


To determine T2 we see that the process itself is an isothermal process since no work was done, and no heat escaped, Q=W. So the temperature will not have changed.
T2=T1


I can't seem to determine ΔS correctly. Since the process is an isothermal expansion, the change in entropy is given by the equation

ΔS=nRln(V2/V1)

from this I can substitute 8.5V1 for V2, resulting in

ΔS=nRln((8.5)V1/V1)

ΔS=nRln(8.5)

This answer however, is incorrect. The problem asks to put in the answer in terms of p1, T1, n, R. The format of this question is a blank field that allows me to create an equation with subscripts, superscripts, fractions, matrices, etc. FYI.

Any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
 
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Maybe they want you to put a number in for ln(8.50)?
 
I tried putting

nR(2.14) but that was also incorrect
 
castrodisastro said:
I tried putting

nR(2.14) but that was also incorrect
I don't know what to say. That's the answer I would have obtained. Maybe 2.14nR, as if that could possibly matter.
 
I am going to have to email the professor about it then. Thank you
 
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