Ideal gas pressure from Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution

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The discussion centers on deriving the average number of particles colliding with a surface area in a given time interval using the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. The formula presented is $$N_{collision}=v_{x}A\Delta t f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})dv_{x}dv_{y}dv_{z}$$, where ##f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})## represents the velocity distribution of particles in an ideal gas. Participants emphasize the importance of considering the density of particles and the volume of the region from which particles can collide with the wall. The conversation highlights the need to integrate the velocity distribution to find the number of particles traveling in the x-direction.

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Hi everyone

I'm having trouble with solving an exercise in statistical physics. I need to argue why the average number of particles with a velocity between ##v## and ##v+dv## that hit a surface area ##A## on the container wall in a time interval ##\Delta t## is $$N_{collision}=v_{x}A\Delta t f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})dv_{x}dv_{y}dv_{z}$$ where ##f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})## is the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. Consider the gas as an ideal gas.

I don't quiet know where to start so...

Thanks for your help!
 
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H Psi equal E Psi said:
Hi everyone

I'm having trouble with solving an exercise in statistical physics. I need to argue why the average number of particles with a velocity between ##v## and ##v+dv## that hit a surface area ##A## on the container wall in a time interval ##\Delta t## is $$N_{collision}=v_{x}A\Delta t f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})dv_{x}dv_{y}dv_{z}$$ where ##f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})## is the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. Consider the gas as an ideal gas.

I don't quiet know where to start so...

Thanks for your help!

Are you sure that there isn't an additional factor of density (number of particles per unit volume) involved?

What I would say is this: You have a wall that is oriented perpendicular to the x-axis. So for particles traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction, consider all particles that will hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds. Clearly, for a particle to hit the wall in that time interval, it must be closer than v_x \delta t in the x-direction. So there is a certain region of space that contains all the particles that could possibly hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds (traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction). What is the volume of that region? The number of particles in that region is proportional to that volume.
 
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stevendaryl said:
Are you sure that there isn't an additional factor of density (number of particles per unit volume) involved?

What I would say is this: You have a wall that is oriented perpendicular to the x-axis. So for particles traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction, consider all particles that will hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds. Clearly, for a particle to hit the wall in that time interval, it must be closer than v_x \delta t in the x-direction. So there is a certain region of space that contains all the particles that could possibly hit the wall in the next \delta t seconds (traveling at velocity v_x in the x-direction). What is the volume of that region? The number of particles in that region is proportional to that volume.
Thank you very much for your answer!
I guess the number of particle traveling in x-direction would be: $$n_{x}=\int_{0}^{\infty} f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}}) dv_{x}$$ right? But how do I include the infinitesimal time Intervall ##\Delta t##?
 
H Psi equal E Psi said:
Thank you very much for your answer!
I guess the number of particle traveling in x-direction would be: $$n_{x}=\int_{0}^{\infty} f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}}) dv_{x}$$ right? But how do I include the infinitesimal time Intervall ##\Delta t##?

Can you answer my question: what is the volume of the region of points such that a particle at that point will hit the wall in the next \Delta t seconds?
 
stevendaryl said:
Can you answer my question: what is the volume of the region of points such that a particle at that point will hit the wall in the next \Delta t seconds?

You said that:
The number of particles in that region is proportional to that volume.
So by finding the number of particle which will hit the wall in the next ##\Delta t## seconds I can find the volume? The number of particle which will hit the wall should be equal to: $$dn_{x}=\Delta tv_{x}f(\mathrm{\textbf{v}})dv_{x}dv_{y}dv_{z}$$ with $$\mathrm{\textbf{v}}=
\begin{bmatrix}
v_{x}\\
0\\
0
\end{bmatrix}$$
Now i need to link this with the volume right?
I'm not that good in statistical physics so what I just stated could be completely wrong...
Thanks for your help!
 

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