Ideal Op-Amp: Voltage Gain Formula | R1, R2, R4

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The discussion focuses on deriving a symbolic expression for the voltage gain of an ideal op-amp amplifier, specifically addressing the role of resistors R1, R2, and R4. Participants highlight the importance of considering the node on the right of R4, which is treated as a short circuit due to the virtual short at the op-amp input terminals. There is confusion regarding the analysis of this node and its implications for current flow. Suggestions include using Thevenin's equivalent for the input voltage and resistors to simplify the analysis. The goal remains to establish a clear formula for voltage gain using the specified resistors.
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Derive a symbolic expression (i.e., a formula containing symbols R1, R2, ..., etc., andarithmetic operators instead of numerical values) for the voltage gain of the amplifier

What I am stuck at is the two nodes on each side of R4

I initially disregarded the node to the right of R4, which was wrong. since there is a virtual sc at the input of the op amp terminals what would i consider the node on the right of r4?
 

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Since no current is flowinginto either -/+ terminal as well, the voltage at the + terminal is 0V.
 
spoonjabba said:
Derive a symbolic expression (i.e., a formula containing symbols R1, R2, ..., etc., andarithmetic operators instead of numerical values) for the voltage gain of the amplifier

What I am stuck at is the two nodes on each side of R4

I initially disregarded the node to the right of R4, which was wrong. since there is a virtual sc at the input of the op amp terminals what would i consider the node on the right of r4?

You just said to consider the node on the right of R4 to be a sc which I assume must mean short circuit or, as we call it, ground. The problem?
 
spoonjabba said:
Derive a symbolic expression (i.e., a formula containing symbols R1, R2, ..., etc., andarithmetic operators instead of numerical values) for the voltage gain of the amplifier

What I am stuck at is the two nodes on each side of R4

I initially disregarded the node to the right of R4, which was wrong. since there is a virtual sc at the input of the op amp terminals what would i consider the node on the right of r4?

You could also replace Vi, R3 and R1 with their Thevenin's equivalent and then just analyze it as a standard inverting amplifier.
 
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