Identifying Cations from Insoluble Precipitates - AgCl, Na2SO4 & More

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The discussion revolves around identifying cations from a colorless solution based on the formation of specific precipitates during a series of chemical reactions. Participants explore the solubility rules and the nature of the precipitates formed, including AgCl, sulfates, and hydroxides.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that precipitate A is AgCl, indicating the presence of Ag+ cations.
  • Another participant mentions various insoluble sulfates, including calcium sulfate, barium sulfate, lead sulfate, silver sulfate, and strontium sulfate, as potential candidates for precipitate B.
  • Transition metal hydroxides are proposed as possible candidates for precipitate C, with a note that these compounds are often not colorless.
  • There is confusion about the order of reactions, particularly regarding the addition of Na2SO4 and its effect on the precipitates.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about which transition metals produce colorless compounds, speculating on zinc or iron.
  • Another participant points out that Ag+ cations would not be present after the formation of AgCl, indicating a misunderstanding of the procedure.
  • Discussion includes a question about why zinc and aluminum hydroxides dissolve in excess NaOH, leading to a reference to amphoterism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identity of AgCl as precipitate A, but there is no consensus on the identities of precipitates B and C, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the sequence of reactions and the implications for the presence of certain cations. There are unresolved questions about the solubility of specific hydroxides and the behavior of transition metal compounds.

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Homework Statement


A student was given a sample of a colourless solution containing three cations and was asked to identify the cations. The student carried out a series of reactions as shown in the flow chart below:

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From the information above, suggest three cations which could be in the sample and would form the precipitates A, B and C. Give the formula for each precipitate.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I think that precipitate A is AgCl because AgCl is insoluble. This means one of the cations is Ag+. However, I am stuck and don't really know how to move on. In the second step, Na2SO4 solution is added to the AgCl. I am not sure what precipitate will be formed. I am guessing that it has something to do with the other cations but I don't really know. I am pretty sure I have misinterpreted the question so could some please explain where I went wrong?

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You are right about AgCl.

What insoluble sulfates do you know? Hydroxides?

It is all about solubility rules.
 
Calcium sulfate, barium sulfate, lead sulfate, silver sulfate and strontium sulfate are all insoluble. So I guess any of these cations could be in the solution and they can be precipitate B.

Transition metal hydroxides are insoluble. So any transition metal hydroxide can be precipitate C.

I think I got confused and thought that the Na2SO4 was added to precipitate A and not the solution. Are these the answers you are expecting?

Thanks!
 
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Calcium sulfate, barium sulfate, lead sulfate, silver sulfate and strontium sulfate are all insoluble. So I guess any of these cations could be in the solution and they can be precipitate B.

Not bad, but not entirely correct either. One of these cations is for sure not present in the solution.

Transition metal hydroxides are insoluble. So any transition metal hydroxide can be precipitate C.

White, gelatinous. Compounds of transition metals are rarely colorless.
 
Not bad, but not entirely correct either. One of these cations is for sure not present in the solution.
I would say lead because I guess it is less reactive than silver so the precipitate formed will be Ag2SO4 and not PbSO4. But this isn't really a logical explanation I think.

White, gelatinous. Compounds of transition metals are rarely colorless.
I am not sure which transition metals produce colourless compounds. I am guessing the neutral element should be a silver colour so maybe zinc or iron?

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I would say lead because I guess it is less reactive than silver so the precipitate formed will be Ag2SO4 and not PbSO4. But this isn't really a logical explanation I think.

What was the very first step of the procedure?

Just try to google for "gelatinous white hydroxide".
 
What was the very first step of the procedure?

I see, the AgCl was already removed so no silver cations would be left. I misinterpreted the question. :(

Just try to google for "gelatinous white hydroxide".

Zinc and aluminium hydroxides form this. They also dissolve in excess NaOH. Why does this happen? The reaction for zinc is:

Zn2+ + 2NaOH ↔ Zn(OH)2 + 2Na+

If more NaOH is added, then the equilibrium will shift to the right so why does it dissolve again in excess NaOH?

Thanks!
 
I see thanks! So the answer I gave above is correct?
 
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