If you became brain-dead, would you want them to pull the plug?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Jamin2112
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Pull
AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around the ethical and philosophical implications of life support and brain death. Participants express differing views on the desire to remain alive in a state of diminished cognitive function versus the acceptance of death. Some argue for the importance of preserving life, hoping for future medical advancements that could revive brain function, while others emphasize the emotional and practical burdens placed on loved ones by prolonging life in a non-cognitive state. The conversation touches on the significance of the brain in defining personal identity, with many asserting that if the brain is dead, the individual is effectively gone. There is a consensus among several participants on the importance of organ donation in cases of brain death, advocating for the harvesting of organs to save others. Overall, the thread highlights the complex interplay between the desire for life, the definition of personhood, and the ethical considerations surrounding end-of-life decisions.
Jamin2112
Messages
973
Reaction score
12
I'd want the rest of me to stay alive. Sure it's a lousy way to live but it beats being all-the-way dead.

Maybe if I make it 20 years they'll figure out how to fix dead brains and revive me.
 
Biology news on Phys.org
Have you considered the massive burden you place on your loved ones? You might have just as much chance as if they freeze you. At least then your family can move on.
 
I understand why someone else would want to have the plug pulled, but not I. There's a number of revolutionary treatments in the pipeline, from stem cells to neuroprosthetics. As long as I'm alive I have a chance at it.
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
Have you considered the massive burden you place on your loved ones? You might have just as much chance as if they freeze you. At least then your family can move on.

I'd be paying for this myself. It's in my will that if my brain dies then all the money in my bank account will go towards keeping my body alive. At the very least I'll become the longest-living person in history.
 
Jamin2112 said:
I'd be paying for this myself. It's in my will that if my brain dies then all the money in my bank account will go towards keeping my body alive. At the very least I'll become the longest-living person in history.

You must be very very well off then. However, I was thinking more of the emotional burden.
 
Pull the plug! No rational thought, no cognition, no understanding, no emotion... I would much rather be dead.
 
Jamin2112 said:
... if my brain dies then all the money in my bank account will go towards keeping my body alive. ...

No way, man - I'm taking mine with me.
 
Last edited:
Jamin2112 said:
I'd want the rest of me to stay alive. Sure it's a lousy way to live but it beats being all-the-way dead.

Maybe if I make it 20 years they'll figure out how to fix dead brains and revive me.

I doubt it. Your brain is you despite what a certain TV neuroscientist says. If it's dead, you're dead. If it's another organ failure, there might be a chance if real preservation technology existed. But it doesn't and I think it will be much longer than 20 years. Besides, there are enormous social consequences to such immortality. Think about it. The old folks hang around forever and don't leave room for the younger generations (who also want to live forever). Anyway, since we probably can't make new brains without making new identities, the whole idea falls apart. Your brain will eventually die and with it, you will die.
 
Last edited:
Fred Hoyle once posed the question:
(this is from memory so not verbatim)

'Suppose you had a microscope and forceps small enough you could build a replica of yourself atom by atom, duplicating every detail right down to the spin on every single electron.
When you finally set the last atom in place, would your creation sit up and talk to you? Would it share you memories? "

So it becomes a philosophical , or at least metaphysical question.

My advice is: avoid bungee jumping, fast motorcycles and sharks.
 
  • #10
turbo said:
Pull the plug! No rational thought, no cognition, no understanding, no emotion... I would much rather be dead.

Why? You can still do a lot of things without your brain. This baby doesn't even have a brain: . Given the choice of living just by reflexes and not living at all, I'd choose living by reflexes.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #11
If you are just brain dead, your organs can be harvested to help save several other lives. It's totally unreasonable to believe that you can be revived after brain death. Pull the plug.
 
  • #12
berkeman said:
your organs can be harvested to help save several other lives.

That's a very good point! One that really puts the question more in perspective.
 
  • #13
SW VandeCarr said:
I doubt it. Your brain is you despite what a certain TV neuroscientist says. If it's dead, you're dead. If it's another organ failure, there might be a chance if real preservation technology existed. But it doesn't and I think it will be much longer than 20 years. Besides, there are enormous social consequences to such immortality. Think about it. The old folks hang around forever and don't leave room for the younger generations (who also want to live forever). Anyway, since we probably can't make new brains without making new identities, the whole idea falls apart. Your brain will eventually die and with it, you will die.

yeah i think the op's question needs to be more specific. maybe he means comatose or some vegetated state
 
  • #14
SW VandeCarr said:
I doubt it. Your brain is you despite what a certain TV neuroscientist says. If it's dead, you're dead. If it's another organ failure, there might be a chance if real preservation technology existed. But it doesn't and I think it will be much longer than 20 years.
Agreed. Since the brain stores information about who you are, destroying it destroys who you are. You might be able to one-day regenerate it or swap it out with a new one, but the information about who you are isn't coming back.

Pull the plug! But make sure you harvest my organs first!
 
  • #15
russ_watters said:
Agreed. but the information about who you are isn't coming back.

Pull the plug! But make sure you harvest my organs first!
Amen! I am signed up as an organ donor. I have lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, etc, etc that might save the lives of others who need them. I don't mind dying, but I don't want to go to waste if others could live.
 
  • #17
turbo said:
I would much rather be dead.

Lol... I always thought the defining aspects of dead, were...

No rational thought, no cognition, no understanding, no emotion...




OCR
 
  • #18
Pull the plug on me too.

This is all temporary. Just keep that in mind, every day you live. Carpe diem!
 
  • #19
Brain dead, as it implies the brain is no longer there and that is me, so I say pull the plug and harvest what you can be used to help others..
 
  • #20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGBYnSFK2Y
 
  • #21
Jamin2112 said:
Why? You can still do a lot of things without your brain. This baby doesn't even have a brain

At least he has a potential career working for Fox News.

My will is specific. All heroic measures are to be taken regardless of what condition my body is in, as long as my brain is active. Comatose doesn't count, since I've been there and even briefly dead. If a "persistent vegetative state" or "brain death" occurs, then harvest everything that still works (corneas, skin, bones, nerves, heart...) and burn the rest. The alternative approach is donation to a medical school. My brain is my existence. If it's gone, then so am I.
 
  • #22
DiracPool said:
Coma...
Being in a coma does not equal being brain dead.
 
  • #23
Danger said:
At least he has a potential career working for Fox News.

Nope... way overqualified.



OCR
 
Back
Top