Calculating Image Line Charges for Multiple Wires

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The discussion focuses on calculating the capacitance of two transmission wires when two additional conductors are introduced. The participants are uncertain about the placement of image line charges and whether this can be analyzed analytically. They clarify that the conductors are connected to different voltage sources, leading to varying potentials. There is a suggestion to use Gauss' Law to determine the electric field around the conductors, but challenges remain in accurately calculating the electric field and the necessary charge configurations. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of visualizing and applying image charge concepts in this scenario.
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I have the below figure I took from my textbook from a section that explains how to calculate the capacitance of two transmission wires using image line charges.

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My question is that if I add two more conductors like shown below, how would it affect the line image charges? I'm not sure how to figure out where the image line charges would go, or if this can even be done analytically.

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We just studied image charges in lecture and I'm trying to understand what you are trying to do. Are those two conductors inside the insulation of a coaxial cable? If so is +q2 connected to 1 and -q2 connected to 2 somewhere at infinity (like the same terminal of a power source)?
 
zetadin said:
We just studied image charges in lecture and I'm trying to understand what you are trying to do. Are those two conductors inside the insulation of a coaxial cable? If so is +q2 connected to 1 and -q2 connected to 2 somewhere at infinity (like the same terminal of a power source)?

Conductors 1 and 2 are two conductors on the same voltage source. The other two, -q2 and +q2 on the coax are connected to a separate voltage source. So all four conductors have different potentials. I am trying to calculate the new capacitance of conductors 1 and 2 after adding the coax part, but I just don't know how to go about this. I'm not sure where I would put the line image charges to create the four equipotential surfaces.
 
The way I understood it from lecture is that you have to draw the curves from which the charges are supposed to "reflect" along equipotential lines. Then those curves act as "mirrors" in optics.

I think it could be possible to solve this by using Gauss' Law. But I don't have any idea how to accurately get the electric field just outside each of the conductors. If you do manage to get Qenclosed, C=Q/deltaV.

Sorry I can't be of more help.
 
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