Impulse: Jumping before the elevator crashes

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The discussion revolves around calculating impulse and average force experienced by a passenger in a free-falling elevator. The initial calculations for impulse and force during the collision were confirmed as correct, yielding values of approximately -2390.7 kgm/s for impulse and -478136.38 N for force. When considering the passenger's upward jump just before impact, confusion arose regarding the correct initial velocity to use, with a suggestion that it should be the sum of the cab's downward speed and the jump speed. However, it was clarified that jumping upward does not increase the downward speed, leading to further calculations. The overall focus is on understanding the physics of impulse and force in a high-stress scenario.
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Hello!

Homework Statement


After the cable snaps and the safety system fails, an elevator cab free falls from a height of 36m. During the collision at the bottom of the elevator shaft, a 90 kg passenger is stopped in 0.005 s. Assume that neither the passenger nor the cab rebounds. What are the magnitudes of the:

a) impulse and b) average force on the passenger during the collision?

If the passenger were to jump upward with a speed of 7.0 m/s relative to the cab floor just before the cab his the bottom of the shaft, what are the magnitudes of the:

c) impulse and d) average force (assuming the same stopping time)?

Homework Equations



J = F⃗Δt= Δp⃗ = m(v⃗f−v⃗i)
v2=v20+2aΔy


The Attempt at a Solution



a) I used this formula v2=v20+2aΔy with y=-36m and v2=0 to solve for v1. I got that v1=26.56 m/s

I then used J = Δp⃗ = m(v⃗f−v⃗i) using vf= 0 and v1=26.56 to get that J=-2390.7 kgm/s

b) I used J = F⃗Δt with J=-2390.7 and t=0.005s to get that F= -478136.38 N (480000 N)

c) I used J = Δp⃗ = m(v⃗f−v⃗i) again, but I was confused as to whether or not vi= 7 m/s (or if it was more complex than that). But I used vi=7 m/s to get that J = -630 kgm/s

d) J = F⃗Δt with the new J to find that F=126000 N

Am I on the right track? The numbers just seem so high...But I guess the dude's falling from quite a height.

Thanks!
 
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js732192 said:
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c) I used J = Δp⃗ = m(v⃗f−v⃗i) again, but I was confused as to whether or not vi= 7 m/s (or if it was more complex than that). But I used vi=7 m/s to get that J = -630 kgm/s

d) J = F⃗Δt with the new J to find that F=126000 N

Am I on the right track? The numbers just seem so high...But I guess the dude's falling from quite a height.

Thanks!
Hi js732192. Welcome to PF !

a & b look good.

For c & d:

The passenger jumps upward at a speed of 7m/s, relative to the cab floor, just before the cab hits the bottom ...

If the cab's speed is 26.56 m/s (downward) just before it hits the bottom, what is the passengers speed just before impact?
 
SammyS said:
Hi js732192. Welcome to PF !

a & b look good.

For c & d:

The passenger jumps upward at a speed of 7m/s, relative to the cab floor, just before the cab hits the bottom ...

If the cab's speed is 26.56 m/s (downward) just before it hits the bottom, what is the passengers speed just before impact?

Would the passenger's speed be 7 + 26.56 = 33.56 m/s?
 
js732192 said:
Would the passenger's speed be 7 + 26.56 = 33.56 m/s?

No. By jumping upwards, he's trying to move away from the ground, so it doesn't make sense that he's approaching the ground faster.
 
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