Impulse question: throwing a rock

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving impulse and the average force exerted when throwing a rock. The scenario describes a 0.500 kg rock thrown underhand at an angle of 40° above the horizontal, starting from rest and traveling a distance of 1.20 m in 0.300 s.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the calculation of average force using momentum change and question the incorporation of gravitational force. There is discussion about assuming uniform acceleration and its implications for the calculations. Some participants express confusion regarding the problem's parameters and seek clarification on the final conditions of the rock's motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches to the problem. Some have calculated components of acceleration and net forces, while others question the assumptions made in the calculations. There is acknowledgment that a constant force assumption leads to a consistent average force value.

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Participants note the lack of information regarding the final landing position of the rock and the need for assumptions about uniform acceleration to proceed with calculations.

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Hello,

Homework Statement


You throw a 0.500 kg rock underhand, as shown in the diagram. The rock starts at rest from the lowest point moving at an angle of 40° above the horizontal, and leaves your hand 0.300 s later having traveled 1.20 m. What is the average force that you exert on the ball while it is in your hand?
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Homework Equations


\vec{F}=\frac{∆P}{∆t}


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to sub the values straight in but not sure now to incorporate the force of gravity. Also I used the average speed for ∆P

F = 0.500kg*(1.2m/0.300s)/0.300s = 6.67 N
 
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Gravity will give an additional ∆P you can include in your calculation.

Also I used the average speed for ∆P
That looks wrong.

I think you have to assume a uniform acceleration here (that should be given - without that, it is not possible to calculate the average force).
 
By average force the question means the minimum force for the object to leave your hand? I didn't quite get the final data, like, where's the object land? By the data that you show I'm not show how to calculate this. Are there more date to the problem?
 
This was all the data given. I think I have it:

I found the acceleration using the kinematics equation

∆d = t*V1 + 1/2*a*t^2

in which ∆d = 1.2, V1 = 0, and t = 0.300s

1.2m = 0.300s*(0 m/s) + 1/2a(0.300)^2
then the a turns out to be 26.666 m/s

Then I broke the acceleration into x,y components
a(x) = 26.6666*cos(40) = 20.427
a(y) = 26.6666*sin(40) = 17.141

Then I calculated the net force for each component using F = m*a, m = 0.500kg
Fnet(x) = F(x, applied)
= 20.427m/s^2 * 0.500 kg
= 10.21 N

Fnet(y) =
F(y, applied) - Fg
= 17.141 m/s^2 *0.500 kg
= 8.57 N

Since the vertical component of net force is the sum of gravity and the applied force I add the force of gravity to the vertical net force
8.57 N + mg = 8.57 N + (0.500)(9.8) = 13.47 N

Now that I have the horizontal and vertical applied forces I used pythagorean theorem to figure out the applied force
F(applied) = \sqrt{13.47^2+10.21^2}
= 16.9 N

Now I question I have is why is 16.9 N the average force AND the applied force? Is it due to it being constant force?
 
With the assumptions made in your derivation, it is a constant force, and the average of a constant value is always this constant value.

As I wrote before, you have to make an assumption about the acceleration process to get a result (--> bad problem statement), so a constant acceleration (and therefore a constant force) is the most reasonable choice.
 

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