Inclined Plane Question. What force is necessary to keep the box from sliding?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the forces necessary to prevent a loaded penguin sled from sliding on an inclined plane. The sled weighs 69 N, is inclined at 22°, and has static and kinetic friction coefficients of 0.25 and 0.20, respectively. The minimum force required to prevent the sled from sliding down is 9.85 N, while 41.8 N is needed to start moving it up, and 38.6 N is required for constant velocity. A participant initially miscalculated the forces by not correctly accounting for static friction when determining the force needed to prevent sliding. Clarification was provided that the force to prevent movement only needs to counteract static friction, not the net force from gravity and kinetic friction.
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"A loaded penguin sled weighing 69 N rests on a plane inclined at angle θ = 22° to the horizontal. Between the sled and the plane, the coefficient of static friction is 0.25, and the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.20.

(a) What is the minimum magnitude of the force , parallel to the plane, that will prevent the sled from slipping down the plane?
(b) What is the minimum magnitude F that will start the sled moving up the plane?
(c) Whatvalue of F is required to move the sled up the plane at constant velocity?"

Answers:
(a) 9.85 N
(b) 41.8 N
(c) 38.6 N




Related Equations:
Mk = Ff/N
Ms = Fb/N


I started this problem by finding the normal and parallel force from the inclined plane.
N = 69cos(22) = 63.97N
Fp(arallel) = 69sin(22) = 25.85N


I then checked to see if the force pulling it down, parellel to the inclined plane, was greater or equal to the "budging" force to see if the box was even moving.

Fb = Fn(Ms) = 63.97N(0.25) = 15.99N

Seeing that 25.85N > 15.99N I proceeded to find the kinetic frictional force opposing the parallel force.

Ff = Fn(Mk) = 63.97N(0.2) = 12.97N

Therefore, the net force should be the parallel force pulling the box down the incline minus the kinetic frictional force opposing it.

Fnet = 25.85N - 12.79N = 13.05N

Now, in order to keep the box from sliding down the incline the amount of force I need to push on the box should be equal to the force causing the box to slide down, 13.05. However, the answer is 9.85N... and I'm way off!

What did I do wrong? Obviously something horrible went wrong in either my calculations or in my idea of how to get the answer... probably the latter. Can somebody explain to me what to do? Why what i did here didn't work?

Thank you for taking the time to review my question out of the sea of questions out there, I very much appreciate it.
 
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DavidAp said:

"A loaded penguin sled weighing 69 N rests on a plane inclined at angle θ = 22° to the horizontal. Between the sled and the plane, the coefficient of static friction is 0.25, and the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.20.

(a) What is the minimum magnitude of the force , parallel to the plane, that will prevent the sled from slipping down the plane?
(b) What is the minimum magnitude F that will start the sled moving up the plane?
(c) Whatvalue of F is required to move the sled up the plane at constant velocity?"

Answers:
(a) 9.85 N
(b) 41.8 N
(c) 38.6 N




Related Equations:
Mk = Ff/N
Ms = Fb/N


I started this problem by finding the normal and parallel force from the inclined plane.
N = 69cos(22) = 63.97N
Fp(arallel) = 69sin(22) = 25.85N


I then checked to see if the force pulling it down, parellel to the inclined plane, was greater or equal to the "budging" force to see if the box was even moving.

Fb = Fn(Ms) = 63.97N(0.25) = 15.99N

Seeing that 25.85N > 15.99N I proceeded to find the kinetic frictional force opposing the parallel force.

Ff = Fn(Mk) = 63.97N(0.2) = 12.97N

Therefore, the net force should be the parallel force pulling the box down the incline minus the kinetic frictional force opposing it.

Fnet = 25.85N - 12.79N = 13.05N

Now, in order to keep the box from sliding down the incline the amount of force I need to push on the box should be equal to the force causing the box to slide down, 13.05. However, the answer is 9.85N... and I'm way off!

What did I do wrong? Obviously something horrible went wrong in either my calculations or in my idea of how to get the answer... probably the latter. Can somebody explain to me what to do? Why what i did here didn't work?

Thank you for taking the time to review my question out of the sea of questions out there, I very much appreciate it.

(a) Because you are preventing the sled from moving, you only have to support the static friction.
 
Thank you so much!
 
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