Increasing the concentration of 30% H2O2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of calibrating a gas chromatograph (GC) with hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) when only a 30% concentration is available. Participants explore methods to either increase the concentration of H2O2 or adjust the calibration process to accommodate the existing concentration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that obtaining "high-test peroxide" could be an option, but notes the potential hazards and regulatory issues associated with higher concentrations.
  • Another participant warns against distilling H2O2 to increase concentration due to fire hazards and health risks.
  • Some participants propose diluting samples to fall within the 30% range for calibration, while others argue this does not address the need to extend calibration beyond 30%.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of increasing concentration by freezing out some of the water, presenting an alternative method.
  • A link to a resource is shared for further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to handle the calibration issue, with some advocating for dilution of samples and others suggesting methods to increase concentration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various safety concerns and regulatory implications associated with handling higher concentrations of H2O2. There are also differing interpretations of the calibration requirements and methods available.

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Hi, I am in the process of calibrating our GC and one of the products we expect to find in our experiment is H2O2, but we only have 30% H2O2 in the lab. I can test 5% to 25% by dissolving further in water, so I can get some sort of calibration curve, but I'm stuck at 30%, is there a simple way to reduce the water content of the H2O2? I realize that H2O2 in more pure form can be quite dangerous but I can't find it in the
Illegal/Dangerous chemical activities thread, so I'm assuming its ok to ask this here.

Is there a safe limit? I am going to be injecting it into a GC, are there any precautions I should take?

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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rwooduk said:
Hi, I am in the process of calibrating our GC and one of the products we expect to find in our experiment is H2O2, but we only have 30% H2O2 in the lab. I can test 5% to 25% by dissolving further in water, so I can get some sort of calibration curve, but I'm stuck at 30%, is there a simple way to reduce the water content of the H2O2? I realize that H2O2 in more pure form can be quite dangerous but I can't find it in the
Illegal/Dangerous chemical activities thread, so I'm assuming its ok to ask this here.

Is there a safe limit? I am going to be injecting it into a GC, are there any precautions I should take?

Thanks in advance for any help.
You can find what is called "high-test peroxide" from some vendors, but this stuff is basically rocket fuel and you may not be able to purchase it off the street without authorization.

Food-grade peroxide goes to 35% concentration. Buying anything with higher concentration could get you put on a TSA watchlist for people sniffing around sensitive chemicals.

You also shouldn't try to distill a lower concentration peroxide to a higher concentration becuz all the oxygen is a fire hazard and this stuff is dangerous to sensitive tissues, like your eyeballs. People who work with high concentration peroxide should be wearing their HAZMAT suits to prevent exposure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-test_peroxide
 
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SteamKing said:
You can find what is called "high-test peroxide" from some vendors, but this stuff is basically rocket fuel and you may not be able to purchase it off the street without authorization.

Food-grade peroxide goes to 35% concentration. Buying anything with higher concentration could get you put on a TSA watchlist for people sniffing around sensitive chemicals.

You also shouldn't try to distill a lower concentration peroxide to a higher concentration becuz all the oxygen is a fire hazard and this stuff is dangerous to sensitive tissues, like your eyeballs. People who work with high concentration peroxide should be wearing their HAZMAT suits to prevent exposure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-test_peroxide

Hi, thanks very much for the info! I've read some of the wiki article it seems quite hazardous, think I will forgo trying to make the stuff and discuss with my supervisor about getting some from a supplier. Thanks again.
 
Why don't you dilute your samples to fall within the 30% range? A very simple solution (pun intended) to your problem.
 
Kevin McHugh said:
Why don't you dilute your samples to fall within the 30% range? A very simple solution (pun intended) to your problem.

OP wants to extend the calibration to concentrations over 30%, and 30% is the starting material. I don't see how dilution applies.
 
Borek said:
OP wants to extend the calibration to concentrations over 30%, and 30% is the starting material. I don't see how dilution applies.

He can dilute his unknown samples down to fall with the max 30% H2O2 limit. If his samples are on the order of 60%, a 1:3 dilution puts him right at 15% hydrogen peroxide, right in the middle of the calibration curve.
 
Ah OK, you mean diluting the samples during the analysis, not the ones used for the calibration curve preparation. I misread your post.
 
I think you can increase the concentration freezing out some of the water.
 
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DrDu said:
I think you can increase the concentration freezing out some of the water.

Dilution of the samples is so much easier.
 
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Kevin McHugh said:
Dilution of the samples is so much easier.
Admittedly!
 

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