Index Notation Help: Solve [a,b,c]^2

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The problem involves evaluating a vector expression using index notation, specifically the equation ( a x b )⋅[( b x c ) x ( c x a )] = [a,b,c]^2 = [ a⋅( b x c )]^2. The original poster expresses difficulty with index notation and the distinction between dummy and free variables.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to simplify the expression by substituting ( b x c ) and ( c x a ) with new variables, leading to a series of index notation manipulations. They question whether they are on the right track and how to proceed from their current expression.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's approach and suggest further simplifications. There is a recognition of the need to substitute back the defined variables and an exploration of the implications of the scalar product in the context of the problem.

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The original poster indicates a struggle with understanding index notation and the handling of variables, which may affect their progress in solving the problem.

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1. The problem is:

( a x b )⋅[( b x c ) x ( c x a )] = [a,b,c]^2 = [ a⋅( b x c )]^2
I am supposed to solve this using index notation... and I am having some problems.

2. Homework Equations : I guess I just don't understand the finer points of index notation. Every time I think I am getting it down I come back to this problem and get lost in the forest of letters.

I am also still struggling with dummy vs free variables3. The Attempt at a Solution : The most logical approach I thought would be to replace

( b x c ) = d and ( c x a ) = e giving me ( a x b )⋅( d x e ) = [a,b,c]^2

(Note: my instinct was to skip ahead to the 'end' but I think for the sake of learning I should show all my steps?)

bold = vector

( a x b )⋅( d x e ) = aibjεijkek ⋅ dlemεlmpep

= aibjdlemεijkεlmp(ekep)

= aibjdlemεijkεlmpδkp

= aibjdlemεijkεlmk

= aibjdlemilδjm - δimδjl)

= aibjdlemδilδjm - aibjdlemδimδjl

= aibjdiej - aibjdjei

Here is where I freeze up. Am I on the right track? Do I plug in for my values of d and e and keep hammering away? Whats the deal?
 
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Welcome to PF!

I'd say you're on the right track:smile:. Looking at the second term of your last expression, it contains bjdj. Keeping in mind the definition of the vector d, can you see by inspection what bjdj reduces to?

For the first term, aibjdiej, plug in the expressions for d and e as you suggest.
 
So I figured it out! I just needed to be more confident in myself haha.

So had I kept going I would have seen that aibjdiej is the result I was looking for. However the second portion should then reduce to zero... and luckily it does. To prove this you can write out the sum and see that they alternate and cancel out!
 
OK. Another way to see that the second portion is zero is to note that d = b x c and therefore d is perpendicular to b. So, the scalar product of b and d (i.e., bjdj) must be zero.

Anyway, your work looks good!
 

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