Induced Voltage in an unclosed loop

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The discussion revolves around the concept of induced voltage in a scenario where an airplane flies through Earth's magnetic field. Participants explore whether voltage can be induced without a closed loop, as presented in a textbook problem involving the airplane's wingspan and speed.

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  • One participant questions the validity of the textbook's answer, noting the absence of a closed loop and asking how voltage can be induced in this scenario.
  • Another participant agrees that voltage is induced across the wings and suggests that if the wingtips were connected to parallel rails, the voltage could be measured.
  • A different participant reiterates the textbook problem and asserts that voltage can be induced without a closed loop, explaining that the motion of the airplane causes a magnetic force on the electrons, leading to charge separation and voltage development.
  • Another participant elaborates on the mechanism of induced voltage, stating that as the rod (or wing) moves through the magnetic field, electrons are pushed to one side, creating an electric field and potential difference across the rod.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a closed loop for voltage induction. While some affirm that voltage can be induced without a closed loop, others emphasize the textbook's perspective, leading to an unresolved debate on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the physical principles involved, including magnetic forces acting on electrons and the resulting charge separation, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical discrepancies in the induced voltage calculations.

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I read the following problem on a textbook:

A airplane flies at a constant speed of 680m/s perpendiculary to Earth's magnetic field (of 5x10^-5 T). The wingspan of the airplane is 9.8m. What is the induced voltage?
The answer the book gives is: E = BLv = 0.4066V

But I've been wondering if this is true. There isn't and enclosed loop. How can a simple wire moving on a magnetic field induce voltage on its terminals?

http://www.physics.sjsu.edu/becker/physics51/30_25_Lenz%27s_law_(Exercise_30-16).JPG
 

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Actually, when I plugged the numbers, I got 0.3332 V. But yes, there is a voltage induced across the wings. If the wingtips were touching two parallel and stationary rails, you could measure the voltage between the rails ( or power a light bulb)
 
AlejandroDes said:
I read the following problem on a textbook:

A airplane flies at a constant speed of 680m/s perpendiculary to Earth's magnetic field (of 5x10^-5 T). The wingspan of the airplane is 9.8m. What is the induced voltage?
The answer the book gives is: E = BLv = 0.4066V

But I've been wondering if this is true. There isn't and enclosed loop. How can a simple wire moving on a magnetic field induce voltage on its terminals?

http://www.physics.sjsu.edu/becker/physics51/30_25_Lenz%27s_law_(Exercise_30-16).JPG
Apart from the numbers, the physical result is quite correct. You don't have to close the loop to get a voltage. Because of the velocity of the airplane, electrons in the wings have a magnetic force acting on them, pushing them toward the point a in your picture. This results in accumulation of electrons near point a, leaving behind an equal positive charge near point b. This separation of charges results in a voltage, with b at a higher, and a at a lower voltage. So this phenomenon is due to a magnetic force, and not due to induction.
 
Try understanding the reason for the induced voltage - when the rod moves through a magnetic field, a force acts on the electrons of the rod. This pushes them towards one side , developing an area containing excess of electrons, and at the same time a deficiency of them on the other.

This leads to an electric field, and consequently, a potential difference across the rod. Understand, if it was a closed loop, provided it was conducting, there would be , simply, a current flowing through the loop.

Hope this helps.
 

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