Input Resistance of Common Gate question....

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The discussion centers around the calculation of the input resistance of a common gate amplifier, focusing on the application of the Hybrid pi model for MOSFETs. Participants explore the implications of grounding the output and the inclusion of a resistor (Rd) in the analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating the input resistance and seeks help, mentioning previous success with other amplifier types.
  • Another participant asserts that the input resistance of a common gate amplifier approaches 1/gm as ro approaches infinity, suggesting the initial calculation was correct.
  • A participant points out that if Rd is included in the calculation, the current through Rd must be considered, indicating a potential oversight in the original approach.
  • Further clarification is provided that the output (Vo) should not be grounded, as this affects the calculation of input resistance, leading to a revised KCL equation.
  • One participant acknowledges the correction regarding Vo and expresses gratitude for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the correct approach to incorporating Rd into the calculation, as participants discuss differing interpretations of the circuit configuration and assumptions made during the analysis.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of circuit assumptions, such as the treatment of the output impedance and the role of Rd, which may lead to different interpretations of the input resistance calculation.

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Hey all. I have been trying to calculate the input resistance of a common gate amplifier, but seem to have problems doing so.

I know I have to set a test voltage (or test current) at the input, and I've been told, to ground the output. So using the Hybrid pi model for a mosfet, I did the following to calculate the input resistance:
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I apologize for my low quality picture. Please any help or hints are greatly appreciated. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. I have used the exact same technique on other amps and it seems to have worked fine, just not with common gates amps : (

Thank you.
 
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What's the problem? You got the right answer. The input resistance of a common-gate amplifier goes to 1/gm as ro goes to infinity.

If you're trying to calculate it including Rd (which is not standard but sometimes done) then you forgot to include the current going from the VCCS to ground through Rd (equals Vo/Rd).
 
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analogdesign said:
What's the problem? You got the right answer. The input resistance of a common-gate amplifier goes to 1/gm as ro goes to infinity.

If you're trying to calculate it including Rd (which is not standard but sometimes done) then you forgot to include the current going from the VCCS to ground through Rd (equals Vo/Rd).

Thank you for your time and reply. Yes, I am trying to include Rd. If I take the node above the test voltage, there are 3 currents going in and out of that node. Rd doesn't seem to be part of any of those three. It also seems that Rd is shorted out due to connecting Vo to ground. How does one incorporate Rd into the equation?

Once again thank you so much.
 
perplexabot said:
Thank you for your time and reply. Yes, I am trying to include Rd. If I take the node above the test voltage, there are 3 currents going in and out of that node. Rd doesn't seem to be part of any of those three. It also seems that Rd is shorted out due to connecting Vo to ground. How does one incorporate Rd into the equation?

Once again thank you so much.

No problem. The issue is that Vo should be open; it is not shorted to ground. When you calculate the input resistance of a voltage amplifier you need to assume the output is connected to a high impedance. So your third current (that you set to zero) is wrong.

So the KCL equation should be ix = gmvx - vx/ro - (vx-vo)/ro

The second equation you need is vo = ixRl so you have (collecting terms)

ix + (ixRl)/ro = gmvx - vx/ro

Solving, rin = vx/ix = (1 + Rl/ro) / (gm+1/ro)

This is what you expect because if ro is larger than Rl (virtually always the case) then this collapses to 1/(gm+1/ro) ~= 1/gm

Does that make sense now?
 
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Yes! Opening Vo fixed everything. I should have tried some more. Thank you.
 
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glad I could help. :)
 
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