Instantaneous velocity from avg velocity with constant accelartion

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The discussion focuses on proving that the average velocity over a time interval with constant acceleration equals the instantaneous velocity at the midpoint of that interval. Participants explore various equations related to average and instantaneous velocity, including Vavg = (Vi + Vf)/2 and Vf = Vi + at, while seeking a general equation that excludes acceleration. Despite attempts to manipulate these equations, there is frustration in finding a clear solution, with one participant expressing difficulty in reaching a conclusive form. The conversation highlights the challenge of deriving the relationship solely from position data. Ultimately, the need for a precise mathematical expression to demonstrate the relationship between average and instantaneous velocity is emphasized.
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Homework Statement


With constant acceleration prove that the average velocity from t1 to t2 =t1 + Δt is equal to the instanous velocity in the middle of the time interval between t1 and t2.

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What I am looking for is a general equation that does not involve accelaration. All I have is position. By the way this is 1-D kinematics so no need for vectors.

The Attempt at a Solution


Tried all sorts of subs with Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2 and Vavg= Δx/Δt I tried subbing these into many of the other equations such as Vf=Vi+at. I imagine there is some sort of trick to it. This thing is driving me nuts.
 
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KeilB said:
Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2
Vf=Vi+at
It can be shown this way I believe. Here's a hint:
Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2
Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2 - Vi +Vi
Vavg= (Vf - Vi)/2 +Vi
 


Alright still having a hard time. I got it into that form that you mentioned and was able to get Vavg=2Vf-(3at)/2 which there is a t/2 in there. Good sign I suppose but it just doesn't seem right since I am going to have to use a distance traveled to find it. I will play around with it some more but feel I'm coming to dead ends.
 


Can you express in math what it is exactly that you're trying to show? In other word, what equation says "the average velocity from t1 to t2 is equal to the instantaneous velocity in the middle of the time interval between t1 and t2"?
 
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