Can You Help with These Integer Algebra Homework Questions?

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First Question:
Let Nn be the integer whose decimal expansion consists of n consecutive ones. For example, N2=11 and N7=1,111,111. Show that Nn|Nm iff n|m.

Second Question:
If (a,c)=1, prove that (a,bc)=(a,b).

On the second question I can see that it is true because a and c are relatively prime, I realize that ax1+bx2=1, but I'm having difficulty expressing it in a proof satisfactory way. I think I'm just over looking a fact somewhere in my text.

As for the first one, I'm not very certain as to where at all to start, so any and all help here would be appreciated.

Note that I'm not really wanting the full proof of either, more or less just a few helpful pointers or some key facts that are needed that I'm missing; something to get me started so I can get a better attempt at it.

If anything is unclear, I'll be happy to restate it in a more satisfactory format if possible.

Thanks all.
Thanks all.
 
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Hi Matthollyw00d! :smile:

You're making this far too complicated …
Matthollyw00d said:
First Question:
Let Nn be the integer whose decimal expansion consists of n consecutive ones. For example, N2=11 and N7=1,111,111. Show that Nn|Nm iff n|m.

Second Question:
If (a,c)=1, prove that (a,bc)=(a,b).

For the first one, just divide … what is the remainder?

For the second, write a = np, b = nq, bc = nqc … :wink:
 
Would this be sufficient for the first one:

Assume Nn|Nm, then (t)Nn=Nm, t≥1. For all m,n≥1, there exists q,r such that m=qn + r, 0≤r<n.
Next assume m does not divide n, therefore 1≤r<n.
Thus Nm=Nqn+r=10r(s)Nn+Nr
Then, (t)Nn=Nqn+r=10r(s)Nn+Nr
Thus, Nr=Nn(t-s10r)=Nn(d), d≥1, which implies r≥n, which contradicts our hypothesis of r<n.
Thus Nn|Nm iff n|m.
 
Matthollyw00d said:
Would this be sufficient for the first one:

Assume Nn|Nm, then (t)Nn=Nm, t≥1. For all m,n≥1, there exists q,r such that m=qn + r, 0≤r<n.
Next assume m does not divide n, therefore 1≤r<n.
Thus Nm=Nqn+r=10r(s)Nn+Nr
Then, (t)Nn=Nqn+r=10r(s)Nn+Nr
Thus, Nr=Nn(t-s10r)=Nn(d), d≥1, which implies r≥n, which contradicts our hypothesis of r<n.
Thus Nn|Nm iff n|m.
If you work out a couple of divisions as a grade school student is taught a simpler proof should be apparent. First try /N_6/N_2 to get 010101. Then Try N_8/N_4 to get 00010001. Now what would the result of N_20/N_5 be?
 
ramsey2879 said:
If you work out a couple of divisions as a grade school student is taught a simpler proof should be apparent. First try /N_6/N_2 to get 010101. Then Try N_8/N_4 to get 00010001. Now what would the result of N_2_0/N_5 be?
00001000010000100001
But I'm not seeing a proof that is simpler than what I did unfortunately. =/
 
Matthollyw00d said:
00001000010000100001
But I'm not seeing a proof that is simpler than what I did unfortunately. =/
Assume 0 < r < n
m = tn + r
N_{m} = N_{m} - (10^{(t-1)*n + r})*N_{n} \mod N_n
N_{m} = N_{m-n} \mod N_{n}
N_{m} = N_{m-n} - (10^{t-2}*n + r})*N_{n} \mod N_n
0 = N_{m-2n} \mod N_{n}
...
0 = N_{m - tn} \mod N_n
0 = N_{r} \mod N_n
r = 0
 
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That would be why I didn't see it, I've yet to learn Modular Arithmetic.
 
ramsey2879 said:
Assume 0 < r < n
m = tn + r
N_{m} = N_{m} - (10^{(t-1)*n + r})*N_{n} \mod N_n
N_{m} = N_{m-n} \mod N_{n}
N_{m} = N_{m-n} - (10^{t-2}*n + r})*N_{n} \mod N_n
0 = N_{m-2n} \mod N_{n}
...
0 = N_{m - tn} \mod N_n
0 = N_{r} \mod N_n
r = 0

redoing this
m = tn + r
If N_{n}|N_{m} then N_{n} also divides:
N_{m} - (10^{(t-1)*n + r})*N_{n} which has the same remainder i.e., zero But that is N_{m-n} since you just removed the first n 1's. This is simply going through the longhand division process as the divisor multiplied by 10 to the appropiiate power removes the n most righthand 1's. When doing longhand division in this manner you are not changing the ultimate remainder so we can say that the new term N_{m-n} = N_{m} \mod N_n (i.e. they have the same remainder if divided by N_n).
Likewise we continue the longhand division process by removing the next n most righthand 1's and so on until we removed t*n 1's. The resulting number comprises r 1's and has the same remainder as the original number. So we say N_{m} = N_{r} \mod N_n iff m = r \mod n. Since n|m, r = zero is the only possible r less than n.
 
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