Integral to find the Surface area

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the surface area of a cone generated by rotating the function f(x) = x from the interval [0, 1] around the x-axis. Participants explore the differences between calculating surface area and volume, particularly focusing on the implications of the function's slope on these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula 2*pi∫xdx to find the surface area, questioning why the more complex formula involving the derivative is necessary.
  • Another participant explains that the function's non-parallel nature to the x-axis necessitates considering the differential of arc length, which includes the term √(1+y'²)dx.
  • A different participant points out that for volume calculations, the function's slope does not affect the volume derived from summing circular areas, raising a question about what changes for surface area.
  • One participant proposes thinking of the surface area as the sum of thin circular strips, emphasizing the importance of the strip's width in the calculation.
  • A participant presents a fallacious argument regarding approximating the area under the curve using a broken line, illustrating the necessity of using the Pythagorean theorem to accurately determine segment lengths for the arc length formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate methods for calculating surface area versus volume, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the relationship between the function's slope and the calculations for surface area and volume. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in definitions and the application of mathematical principles.

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For a given function f(x)=x, if we rotate this function from [0,1] around the x-axis, we'll have a cone... why can't I find its surface area by adding the perimeter of all the circunferences from [0,1] with radius = f(x)?Something like 2*pi∫xdx? The formulas says we have to do 2*pi∫x*√(i+y'²)dx ...
 
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Since the function f(x) is not parallel to the x-axis the area differential has to take into account that effect, which for your problem is √2.

In general, you need the differential of arc length of the revolving figure which is
√(1+y'²)dx.
 
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But to find the volume of the cone, for exemple, the fact that the function isn't parallel to the x-axis doens't influence that "volume is the sum of all areas of all circles"... What changes?
 
Think of the area of the cone's surface as the sum of a bunch of thin circular strips. The extra factor is the width of the strip.
 
Consider this fallacious argument: If we divide the interval from x= 0 to x= 1 into n equal subintervals, each of length 1/n, we can "approximate" the line from (0, 0) to (1, 1) by a broken line, the horizontal line from (0, 0) to (1/n, 0), the vertical line from I(1/n, 0) to (1/n, 1/n), the horizontal line from (1/n, 1/n) to (2/n, 1/n), the vertical line from (2/n, 1/n) to (2/n, 2/n), etc.

The area under the horizontal line from (k/n, k/n) to ((k+1)/n, k/n) is (k/n)(1/n)= k/n^2 so the total area is [itex]\sum_{k=0}^n k/n^2= (1/n^2)\sum_{k=0}^n k= (1/n^2)(n(n+1)/2= (n^2+ n)/2n= n/2+ 1/2. And the limit, as n goes to infinity, is 1/2, the area under the straight line.<br /> <br /> But if we, instead, use the length of the broken line to approximate the length of the line, each segment has length 1/n and there are 2n such segments so that we get a length of <b>2</b> which is wrong. The length of the line segment from (k/n, k/n) to ((k+1)/n, (k+1)/n) simply cannot be approximated by the length of those two horizontal and vertical segments. We have to use the Pythagorean theorem to get the length of each segment: [itex]\sqrt{(1/n)^2+ (1/n)^2}= (1/n)\sqrt{2}[/itex]. And that leads to the arclength formula.[/itex]
 

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