Integral with radical denominator.

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int \frac{xdx}{\sqrt{x^2+a^2-\sqrt{2}ax}}\), which involves a radical in the denominator. Participants are exploring various algebraic manipulations and substitutions to simplify the expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest completing the square in the denominator and discuss different ways to express the radical. There are attempts to rewrite the expression in a more manageable form, with some questioning the effectiveness of their approaches.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes multiple attempts at rewriting the integral and exploring substitutions. Some participants have provided guidance on potential methods, such as completing the square and considering u-substitution, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed with their substitutions.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of terms, particularly with respect to the radical expressions. Participants are also addressing typographical errors in their previous messages, which may affect the clarity of their reasoning.

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Homework Statement




Need to do this integral as part of a problem

[itex]\int[/itex] [itex]\frac{xdx}{\sqrt{x^2+a^2-\sqrt{2}ax}}[/itex]


I can't think of any substitution that would work, or any way to factorize.
I think this is a standard integral, but can't remember everyone so I just want to learn to solve it.
 
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Your first step would be completing the square in the denominator. What does the integral look like after you do that?
 
I would try writing [itex]x^2+a^2-\sqrt 2 ax = x^2- \sqrt 2 ax+ \frac{a^2} 2 +(a^2-\frac {a^2} 2)<br /> =(x-\frac a {\sqrt2})^2+\frac{a^2} 2[/itex] and see if that leads anywhere.

[Edit] I see Dick types faster than I do...
[Edit] Fixed a typo and its ramifications.
 
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LCKurtz said:
I would try writing [itex]x^2+a^2-\sqrt 2 ax = x^2-2\sqrt a + a +(a^2-a)<br /> =(x-\sqrt a)^2)+(a^2-a)[/itex] and see if that leads anywhere.

[Edit] I see Dick types faster than I do...

No, we type about the same. I just say less.
 
LCKurtz said:
I would try writing [itex]x^2+a^2-\sqrt 2 ax = x^2-2\sqrt a + a +(a^2-a)<br /> =(x-\sqrt a)^2)+(a^2-a)[/itex] and see if that leads anywhere.

[Edit] I see Dick types faster than I do...

It appears that you have changed [itex]\sqrt{2}ax[/itex] into [itex]2\sqrt{a}[/itex], but apparently meant [itex]2(\sqrt{a})x\,.[/itex]
 
SammyS said:
It appears that you have changed [itex]\sqrt{2}ax[/itex] into [itex]2\sqrt{a}[/itex], but apparently meant [itex]2(\sqrt{a})x\,.[/itex]

Yes, thanks. I edited it (about 3 times :frown:) to correct it.
 
You are letting the radicals and the denominator distract you. If you re-write as
Int (mess)^(-1/2) * xdx, you should see a u-substitution and integration by parts.
 
ok when I complete the squares and do it, i get the answer as


[itex]\sqrt{x^2+a^2+\sqrt{2}ax}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{a}{\sqrt{2}}[/itex] ln |[itex]\sqrt{a^2+x^2}[/itex] + x |

Which is the right answer i think. thanks a lot for the help :)
 
SteamKing said:
You are letting the radicals and the denominator distract you. If you re-write as
Int (mess)^(-1/2) * xdx, you should see a u-substitution and integration by parts.

If i do the U substitution, I don't see how i can write x in terms of u
 

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