Integrals and gamma functions manipulation

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of integrals and gamma functions, specifically focusing on a mathematical expression involving a Bessel function and its integration. The original poster is seeking clarification on the steps taken in the derivation of an integral expression related to these functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the transition between steps in an integral involving a Bessel function and gamma functions. Some participants question the definitions and relationships between variables such as x, y, and λ, while others express confusion regarding the notation and formatting of the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, providing feedback on the clarity of the mathematical expressions and suggesting areas where further explanation is needed. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables and the structure of the equations presented.

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There are noted issues with the clarity of the definitions provided, particularly regarding the relationship between x and y, as well as the notation used for the gamma function. Participants are also addressing formatting concerns related to LaTeX usage in the equations.

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Homework Statement


I am working through some maths to deepen my understanding of a topic we have learned about. However I am not sure what the author has done and I have copied below the chunk I am stuck on. I would be extremely grateful if someone could just briefly explain what is going on i.e how to get from one step to another and why.
Thanks

Homework Equations

$\int^\infty_y P(2y;2\nu,2k) dK$

where $P(2y;2\nu,2k)$ =$ \frac{1}{2} (\frac{x}{\lambda})^{\frac{\nu-2}{4}} I_{\frac{\nu-2}{2}}(\lambda x)^{\frac{1}{2}} e^{\frac{-(\lambda+x)}{2}}$
Note that I is the bessel function of the first kind of order K and is defined as $ (\frac{1}{2}Z) \sum\limits_{j=0}^\infty \frac{(\frac{z^2}{4})^j}{{j!\gamma(k+j+1)}}$
$$=\int^\infty_y e^{-z-k} (\frac{z}{k})^{\tau-1} (kz)^{\frac{\tau-1}{2}} \sum\limits_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(zk)^n}{n!\gamma(n+\nu-1+1)}dK$$
$$=\int^\infty_y \frac{e^{-z} z^{n+v-1}}{\gamma(n+\nu)} \int^\infty_y \frac{e^{-k} k^{n}}{\gamma(n+1)}dK$$
$$=\sum\limits_{n=0}^\infty g(n+v,z)G(n+1,y)$$

Please also note that $\gamma$ is meant to be that symbol that looks like a T when working with gamma funtions but I do not know what it is.

The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing I know is that it has something to do with gamma functions and integration by parts.
By the way this is not assignment related but something I really want to understand.
 
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Does anyone know why latex is not working on the first part of equation?
 
mathsdespair said:
Does anyone know why latex is not working on the first part of equation?
mathsdespair said:

Homework Statement


I am working through some maths to deepen my understanding of a topic we have learned about. However I am not sure what the author has done and I have copied below the chunk I am stuck on. I would be extremely grateful if someone could just briefly explain what is going on i.e how to get from one step to another and why.
Thanks

Homework Equations

$\int^\infty_y P(2y;2\nu,2k) dK$

where $P(2y;2\nu,2k)$ =$ \frac{1}{2} (\frac{x}{\lambda})^{\frac{\nu-2}{4}} I_{\frac{\nu-2}{2}}(\lambda x)^{\frac{1}{2}} e^{\frac{-(\lambda+x)}{2}}$
Note that I is the bessel function of the first kind of order K and is defined as $ (\frac{1}{2}Z) \sum\limits_{j=0}^\infty \frac{(\frac{z^2}{4})^j}{{j!\gamma(k+j+1)}}$
$$=\int^\infty_y e^{-z-k} (\frac{z}{k})^{\tau-1} (kz)^{\frac{\tau-1}{2}} \sum\limits_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(zk)^n}{n!\gamma(n+\nu-1+1)}dK$$
$$=\int^\infty_y \frac{e^{-z} z^{n+v-1}}{\gamma(n+\nu)} \int^\infty_y \frac{e^{-k} k^{n}}{\gamma(n+1)}dK$$
$$=\sum\limits_{n=0}^\infty g(n+v,z)G(n+1,y)$$

Please also note that $\gamma$ is meant to be that symbol that looks like a T when working with gamma funtions but I do not know what it is.

The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing I know is that it has something to do with gamma functions and integration by parts.
By the way this is not assignment related but something I really want to understand.
See remarks following the re-write of your post, which I have edited to:

Evaluate
J = \int_y^\infty P(2y;2\nu,2k) dk

where
P(2y;2\nu,2k) = \frac{1}{2} (\frac{x}{\lambda})^{\frac{\nu-2}{4}} I_{\frac{\nu-2}{2}}(\lambda x)^{\frac{1}{2}} e^{\frac{-(\lambda+x)}{2}} \leftarrow \text{makes no sense!}
Note that ##I## is the bessel function of the first kind of order ##k## and is defined as
\frac{z}{2} \sum_{j=0}^\infty \frac{(\frac{z^2}{4})^j}{{j!\gamma(k+j+1)}}
Thus, we have
J = \int_y^\infty e^{-z-k} (\frac{z}{k})^{\tau-1} (kz)^{\frac{\tau-1}{2}} \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(zk)^n}{n!\gamma(n+\nu-1+1)}dk \\<br /> \;\;=\int_y^\infty \frac{e^{-z} z^{n+v-1}}{\gamma(n+\nu)} \int_y^\infty \frac{e^{-k} k^{n}}{\gamma(n+1)}dk \\<br /> \;\; =\sum_{n=0}^\infty g(n+v,z)G(n+1,y)

I did not understand what your \gamma is, so I have not addressed that issue.

Several points:
(1) Your definition of P makes no sense because you have y on one side and x on the other, and do not say what the relationship is between x and y.
(2) Best to avoid "$" in LaTeX; just use "# # 'material' # # (remove blanks between the #s) to put 'material' in an in-line equation, or use [t e x] 'material' [/t e x] (remove spaces) to put it as a displayed equation.
(3) You can say "\sum_a^b"; no need to say "sum_limits_a^b", so that is what I have done in the above.
(4) Same as (2) but for integrals. It is customary (and good practice if you want to exchange documents with others) to say "int_a^b" rather than "int^b_a", so I changed those.
(5) Decide if you mean k or K and use it consistently; I changed dK to dk to fix it up.
(6) In a multi-line equation you can just do what I did above: start by using "[t e x]" (no spaces), use "\\" to end a line, then start the next line with an "=" or whatever. Keep going like that until you run out of lines, then end the thing by "[/ t e x]" (no spaces)
(7) The way you wrote it was confusing and misleading. You need a break after the definition of ##I ## and before the remaining material. I did that by defining a symbol (J) for the thing you want and then saying "Thus, we have J = ..."
 
Ray Vickson said:
See remarks following the re-write of your post, which I have edited to:

Evaluate
J = \int_y^\infty P(2y;2\nu,2k) dk

where
P(2y;2\nu,2k) = \frac{1}{2} (\frac{x}{\lambda})^{\frac{\nu-2}{4}} I_{\frac{\nu-2}{2}}(\lambda x)^{\frac{1}{2}} e^{\frac{-(\lambda+x)}{2}} \leftarrow \text{makes no sense!}
Note that ##I## is the bessel function of the first kind of order ##k## and is defined as
\frac{z}{2} \sum_{j=0}^\infty \frac{(\frac{z^2}{4})^j}{{j!\gamma(k+j+1)}}
Thus, we have
J = \int_y^\infty e^{-z-k} (\frac{z}{k})^{\tau-1} (kz)^{\frac{\tau-1}{2}} \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(zk)^n}{n!\gamma(n+\nu-1+1)}dk \\<br /> \;\;=\int_y^\infty \frac{e^{-z} z^{n+v-1}}{\gamma(n+\nu)} \int_y^\infty \frac{e^{-k} k^{n}}{\gamma(n+1)}dk \\<br /> \;\; =\sum_{n=0}^\infty g(n+v,z)G(n+1,y)

I did not understand what your \gamma is, so I have not addressed that issue.

Several points:
(1) Your definition of P makes no sense because you have y on one side and x on the other, and do not say what the relationship is between x and y.
(2) Best to avoid "$" in LaTeX; just use "# # 'material' # # (remove blanks between the #s) to put 'material' in an in-line equation, or use [t e x] 'material' [/t e x] (remove spaces) to put it as a displayed equation.
(3) You can say "\sum_a^b"; no need to say "sum_limits_a^b", so that is what I have done in the above.
(4) Same as (2) but for integrals. It is customary (and good practice if you want to exchange documents with others) to say "int_a^b" rather than "int^b_a", so I changed those.
(5) Decide if you mean k or K and use it consistently; I changed dK to dk to fix it up.
(6) In a multi-line equation you can just do what I did above: start by using "[t e x]" (no spaces), use "\\" to end a line, then start the next line with an "=" or whatever. Keep going like that until you run out of lines, then end the thing by "[/ t e x]" (no spaces)
(7) The way you wrote it was confusing and misleading. You need a break after the definition of ##I ## and before the remaining material. I did that by defining a symbol (J) for the thing you want and then saying "Thus, we have J = ..."
Thanks for your reply and thanks for having a look. Gamma was meant to be $$\Gamma$$ (sorry about that)
I have copied what is above directly from the book.
Do you know how to get from j to the next step ?
Thanks
 
mathsdespair said:
Thanks for your reply and thanks for having a look. Gamma was meant to be $$\Gamma$$ (sorry about that)
I have copied what is above directly from the book.
Do you know how to get from j to the next step ?
Thanks

I cannot hope to make any headway on the problem until you tell me:
(1) In the definition of P, you have 2y on the left and x on the right. Is x = y, or what? Also, your definition of P has ##\lambda## in it, but there is no indication of how ##\lambda## is related to ##\nu## or ##k## or whatever.
(2) In the second-last line you have written two integrations (and no sum), but have only one integration variable "dk". Is that a typo? If not, what is the correct expression?
 
mathsdespair said:
$\int^\infty_y P(2y;2\nu,2k) dK$

mathsdespair said:
Does anyone know why latex is not working on the first part of equation?

Use pairs of dollar signs, not single ones.
$$\int^\infty_y P(2y;2\nu,2k) dk$$
 
Ray Vickson said:
I cannot hope to make any headway on the problem until you tell me:
(1) In the definition of P, you have 2y on the left and x on the right. Is x = y, or what? Also, your definition of P has ##\lambda## in it, but there is no indication of how ##\lambda## is related to ##\nu## or ##k## or whatever.
(2) In the second-last line you have written two integrations (and no sum), but have only one integration variable "dk". Is that a typo? If not, what is the correct expression?
Hey mate its ok, I worked it out.
Thanks anyway
 

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