Integrating parametric equations

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of an integral involving parametric equations, specifically how the integral of y with respect to x can be expressed in terms of a parameter t, where x and y are defined as functions of t.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between y as a function of x and its representation as g(t). There is uncertainty about how to transition from y(x) to g(t) and the implications of substituting dx with f'(t) dt.

Discussion Status

Multiple participants express confusion regarding the substitution process and the definitions of the functions involved. Some clarify that y is defined as g(t) in the context of the problem, while others question the validity of this substitution. The discussion is ongoing with no clear consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the substitution rule and the definitions of the functions x and y in the context of the given problem. There is a focus on understanding the transition from one variable to another without explicit resolution of the questions raised.

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Homework Statement



Why does
<br /> \int_a^b \, y \; dx<br />
become
<br /> \int_\alpha^\beta \, g(t) f^\prime(t) \; dt<br />
if x = f(t) and y = g(t) and alpha <= t <= beta?

Homework Equations



Substitution rule?

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure how y = y(x) in the integrand turns into g(t). Isn't y a function of x in the first expression? How do they go from y(x) to g(t)?
 
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bigplanet401 said:

Homework Statement



Why does
<br /> \int_a^b \, y \; dx<br />
become
<br /> \int_\alpha^\beta \, g(t) f^\prime(t) \; dt<br />
if x = f(t) and y = g(t) and alpha <= t <= beta?

Homework Equations



Substitution rule?
Substitution.
Replace y by g(t). What should you replace dx by?
bigplanet401 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure how y = y(x) in the integrand turns into g(t). Isn't y a function of x in the first expression? How do they go from y(x) to g(t)?
 
If x = f(t), dx = f'(t) dt. I understand that part.

But in
<br /> \int y \; dx<br />

isn't y = y(x) a function of x? We'd then have y = y(x) = y[x(t)]. How can we just let y = g(t) and get the resulting expression in t?
 
bigplanet401 said:
If x = f(t), dx = f'(t) dt. I understand that part.

But in
<br /> \int y \; dx<br />

isn't y = y(x) a function of x?
No, not according to the problem description you wrote, which says y = g(t). x is a different function of t.
bigplanet401 said:
We'd then have y = y(x) = y[x(t)]. How can we just let y = g(t) and get the resulting expression in t?
Because it is given that y = g(t).
 
bigplanet401 said:

Homework Statement



Why does
<br /> \int_a^b \, y \; dx<br />
become
<br /> \int_\alpha^\beta \, g(t) f^\prime(t) \; dt<br />
if x = f(t) and y = g(t) and alpha <= t <= beta?

Homework Equations



Substitution rule?

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure how y = y(x) in the integrand turns into g(t). Isn't y a function of x in the first expression? How do they go from y(x) to g(t)?

You want to show:

$$\int_a^b y \space dx = \int_\alpha^\beta g(t) f^\prime(t) \space dt$$

When given:

$$x = f(t)$$
$$y = g(t)$$

Write ##\frac{dx}{dt} = f^\prime(t)##; You also know ##y##.
 

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