Integration by Parts Homework Help - Q2

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The discussion revolves around integration techniques, specifically focusing on integration by parts and related concepts. Participants are addressing various integral problems as part of their exam preparation, with a particular emphasis on understanding the underlying principles of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore different methods for integrating functions, including rewriting exponential terms and applying integration by parts. Questions arise regarding the treatment of constants in integrals and the application of the chain rule in differentiation and integration.

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Several participants have offered insights and suggestions for approaching the integration problems. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods, particularly regarding the integration of exponential and logarithmic functions. No explicit consensus has been reached, but productive dialogue continues.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework assignments, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. Some questions involve clarifying assumptions about constants and the application of integration rules.

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Homework Statement


In preparation for an exam next week, I'm solving some of the end-of-chapter questions. There are 30 questions. I've solved a few on my own, but here's one I'm getting stuck on.

Question 2)
\int x5^x dx, problem here is I don't know how to deal with 5^x.
The correct answer should be: \frac{x}{ln5}5^x - \frac{1}{(ln5)^2}5^x + C

To avoid spamming the forum with many threads, I'll just post in this one whenever I hit an integral I'm unsure of. For now, it's just the one above.

Homework Equations


\int u*dv = uv - \int v*du
 
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It might look a little easier if you write 5^x=exp(ln(5)*x). Put the exp into the dv part.
 
Did another one here:

Question 4)
\int x log_{10}x dx<br /> = \int x \frac{ln(x)}{ln(10)} dx
= \frac{1}{ln(10)}\int xln(x) dx
= \frac{1}{ln(10)}\int D(\frac{x^2}{2})ln(x) dx
= \frac{1}{ln(10)}\left(\frac{x^2}{2} * ln(x) - \int \frac{x^2}{2} D(ln(x))dx\right)
= \frac{1}{ln(10)}\left(\frac{x^2}{2} * ln(x) - \int \frac{x^2}{2} * \frac{1}{x}dx\right)
And yeah, getting too lazy to TeX it all. Question is, when I finally get rid of all integrals, the +C will be inside the 1/ln(10) bracket. Do I write C/ln(10), or do I assume that whatever C is will already have that applied, so I just write C?
 
Yes, the constant C/ln(10) is the same as the constant C' - and it isn't even necessary to distinguish between "C" and "C'".
 
Dick said:
It might look a little easier if you write 5^x=exp(ln(5)*x). Put the exp into the dv part.

So, 5^x = exp(ln(5^x)) = exp(xln(5)) = e^(xln(5))... I see that much.
I also know the derivative/antiderivative of e^x = e^x.
What is the derivative/antiderivative of e^(xln(5))??
 
Use the chain rule. The derivative of e^(a*x)=a*e^(a*x). What's the antiderivative?
 
e^(ax) / a, methinks... 'cause then taking the derivative of that would pull down another 'a', canceling out the division. Makes sense.

Thanks :)
 
Why is \int \frac{D(1+x^2)}{1+x^2}dx = ln(1+x^2)?

I know D(ln(x)) = 1/x, however I don't see how my book did this calculation.
 
The point is that \int\frac{du}{u}= ln|u|+ C, No matrer what "u" is. In this case u= 1+ x2.
 
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It is from the more general rule that

\int \frac{f&#039;(x)}{f(x)}dx = ln|f(x)| + C

which comes from the chain rule. If you think about substituting u for 1 + x2, then what is du in terms of dx?
 
  • #11
If u = 1 + x^2, then du = 2x.
Thanks for the ln|blah| tip! I remember being taught it, but had forgotten.

One final question for tonight.
I'm in the middle of integrating arcsin(x), and as a segment, I need to compute the antiderivative:
\int \frac{x}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}}

From looking up the answer, I see that this integral is equivalent to \sqrt{1 - x^2}. Why would this be? I see how it can be broken up into \frac{x}{1} * (1 - x^2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}. Does this help me, or am I missing another rule?
 
  • #12
Yes, you are right, although the division by 1 is not really necessary. Think chain rule again, and see if you can separate one part of the integral as a derivative of another part, then substitute.
 
  • #13
Derivative of the top = 1

Derivative of the bottom = -2x * (1 - x^2)^{-\frac{3}{2}}*-\frac{1}{2}
= x(1 - x^2)^{-\frac{3}{2}}

Sorry, but I still don't see it >.<;
I see how the chain rule was used to find the derivative of the bottom, but otherwise...
 

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