Integration By Parts: Solving Find \int (2x^4\ln3x)\ dx

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \( \int (2x^4\ln3x)\ dx \), specifically using the technique of integration by parts. Participants are examining the steps involved in the integration process and addressing discrepancies in the results obtained.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the choice of \( u \) and \( dv \) for integration by parts, with one participant expressing confusion over the final term in their result. Others inquire about intermediate steps, specifically the calculations for \( du \) and \( v \). There are questions regarding the application of the chain rule and the product property of logarithms.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on each other's steps and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the derivative of \( \ln(3x) \) and how to approach the integration process, but there is no explicit consensus on the final result yet.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can provide to one another. There is an emphasis on understanding the steps rather than simply obtaining the final answer.

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Homework Statement


Find \int (2x^4\ln3x)\ dx


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I let u = ln3x and dv/dx = x4 and I've managed to solve it and get an answer of:

x^5(\frac{2}{5}\ln(3x) - \frac{1}{45} + c)

Which is really close to the answer from wolfram alpha but the last term should be 2/25 not 1/45?
 
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Can you show your intermediate steps?

What did you get for du?

what did you get for v?

and then u*v - integral(vdu) ?
 
trollcast said:

Homework Statement


Find \int (2x^4\ln3x)\ dx


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I let u = ln3x and dv/dx = x4 and I've managed to solve it and get an answer of:

x^5(\frac{2}{5}\ln(3x) - \frac{1}{45} + c)

Which is really close to the answer from wolfram alpha but the last term should be 2/25 not 1/45?

How did you get the 1/45 ?

The constant of integration should outside of the parentheses .

##\displaystyle \ x^5\left(\frac{2}{5}\ln(3x) - \frac{1}{45}\right)+C\ ##
 
jedishrfu said:
Can you show your intermediate steps?

What did you get for du?

what did you get for v?

and then u*v - integral(vdu) ?

\frac{du}{dx} = \frac{1}{3x}
v = \frac{x^5}{5}
uv - \int v\frac{du}{dx} =2( \ln3x * \frac{x^5}{5} - \int(\frac{x^5}{5} * \frac{1}{3x}))
 
What is the derivative of ln(3x)?

Edit: You can either use the chain rule as SammyS pointed out below, or you can use the product property of logs to write ln(3x)=ln3+lnx
 
trollcast said:
\frac{du}{dx} = \frac{1}{3x}
v = \frac{x^5}{5}
uv - \int v\frac{du}{dx} =2( \ln3x * \frac{x^5}{5} - \int(\frac{x^5}{5} * \frac{1}{3x}))
Using the chain rule:

##\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\, \ln(3x)=\frac{3}{3x}##
 
SammyS said:
Using the chain rule:

##\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\, \ln(3x)=\frac{3}{3x}##

Thanks got it now.
 
HS-Scientist said:
What is the derivative of ln(3x)?

Edit: You can either use the chain rule as SammyS pointed out below, or you can use the product property of logs to write ln(3x)=ln3+lnx
Yes, ln3+lnx makes it even more obvious.
 

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