Integration in Parts: Solving ln Integration with a Twist | Step-by-Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ln(2|x|) over the interval from -1 to 1. Participants are exploring various methods to approach this integral, including integration by parts and symmetry considerations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts integration by parts and questions the correctness of their approach. Other participants suggest using symmetry to simplify the integral. There is also mention of alternative methods involving series expansions and the relationship between different integrals.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing different methods and questioning the validity of each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of symmetry and series expansions, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the integral.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating functions that involve logarithmic terms and are considering the implications of limits as they approach zero. There is an underlying concern about the potential divergence of the integral.

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as part of a question i need to integrate

\intln2|x|dx (from -1 to 1)

what i did was integration in parts

\intln2|x|dx =x*ln2|x| - \int2(lnx/x)xdx

=x*ln2|x| - 2[xln|x| - x]

=lim x(ln2|x|-2ln|x|+ 2)|^{-1}_{0-\epsilon} +(ln2|x|-2ln|x|+ 2)|^{0+\epsilon}_{1}
\epsilon->0

1st of all is this correct,?
2nd of all, is there no better way to solve this
 
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Dell said:
as part of a question i need to integrate
\intln2|x|dx (from -1 to 1)

(snip)

2nd of all, is there no better way to solve this
Symmetry would work pretty nicely:

\int^{1}_{-1}{ln^2|x| dx} = 2\int^{1}_{0}{ln^2(x) dx} = 2 \lim_{a \rightarrow 0}{\int^{1}_{a}{ln^2(x) dx}} = dwhere d the value of the integral, or \pm \infty if it diverges.
 
thanks, but you would still have to do the whole long integration in parts to achieve d, would you not?
 
Alternative method.

\int_{0}^{1}x^{p}dx=\frac{1}{1+p}

Expand both sides in powers of p. We have:

x^p = \exp\left[p\log(x)\right]= 1+p\log(x) + \frac{p^2}{2}\log^{2}(x)+\cdots

\frac{1}{1+p}=1-p+p^2-\cdots

So, we can immediately read off that the integral from zero to 1 is 2.
 
nice count Iblis, I should have thought of using that.

But to answer dell question :

use integration by parts formula -- int(u*dv) = uv - int(v*du)
 
how did you read that the integral is 2?

i see that you used deformation of Mcloren, (plnx in place of x) but how do you see that that is equal to 2, how do i use this? do i plug 1 into my x,
exp[plog(1)]? but that will give me exp[0]=1
 
how did you get to the integral of x^p if we started with integral of ln^2|x|
 

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