Internal structure of the Earth and it's composition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods and models used to understand the internal structure and composition of the Earth, particularly in the context of extreme conditions such as high temperatures and pressures. Participants explore various techniques, including seismic data analysis and experimental studies, while addressing the challenges of studying the Earth's interior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the internal structure of the Earth is revealed through seismic data and mathematical models.
  • One participant recounts historical methods from 1968, highlighting the reliance on seismic data, experimental work on silicate melts, and meteorite data to build models of the Earth's composition.
  • There is mention of using seismic waves, particularly body waves, to determine whether regions of the Earth are in solid or liquid states, though questions remain about how temperature is inferred from this data.
  • Another participant discusses the evolution of geophysical techniques, including diamond anvil cell studies, which have provided insights into the composition and structure of the inner Earth.
  • One post references an article claiming that the Earth's center is hotter than previously thought, linking this to advancements in modeling and understanding the geodynamo process.
  • Participants note that the physical properties of the Earth's deeper parts are influenced by volume rather than pressure, and that seismic waves are used to study these properties.
  • Seismic tomography and 3-D imaging are mentioned as current applications in studying the Earth's interior.
  • A book titled "New Theory of the Earth" by Don Anderson is recommended as a resource for further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the methods and models used to understand the Earth's internal structure, with no clear consensus on the specifics of how temperature is determined or the implications of recent findings. Multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the interpretation of seismic data and the evolution of models.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the temperature and composition of the Earth's interior, highlighting the dependence on evolving techniques and the complexity of the data involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying geology, geophysics, or Earth sciences, as well as individuals curious about the methods used to explore the Earth's internal structure.

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I was wondering how they managed to know the internal structure of Earth and it's composition while there is lava and it's very hot such that no any instruments can get there...seriously I am confused
 
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The internal structure of the Earth is revealed through earthquakes and mathematical models.
 
When I was first interested in the internal structure and composition of the Earth in 1968, all we had were seismic data, experimental work on silicate melts and the rocks on the Earth's surface. The models were essential built on that data, throwing in some meteorite data and what we knew of astrophysical phenomena. By melting a basalt, we can approximate what the temperature of a basaltic magma could be. Nucleosynthesis, BBN and from supernovae gave insights into what the general composition of the Earth is likely to be. Seismic, magnetic and gravity data refined the model. 15 years later Sunoco bought into seismic programs intended to study the core. I justified that expense because it also revealed crustal information. Today, geophysical techniques are defining the structure in greater detail. Diamond anvil cell studies have totally opened the possible scenarios for composition and structure of the inner earth. Data from those studies give us possible composition of rocks and minerals, as well as melting and cooling temperatures and pressures.
 
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some say they use seisimic wave particularly body waves to study the internal structure of the Earth but for what I know the method tells us whether that particular place it's in solid state or liquid state...still I can't understand how they managed to know the temperature
 
The Earth’s Centre is 1000 Degrees Hotter than Previously Thought
http://www.esrf.eu/news/general/Earth-Center-Hotter

This article also mentions the use of the diamond anvil cell. Nine years before this paper was published, a "new" determination of the core's temperature was published. In a nutshell, this describes the process by which the model is built up and modified. Models are built on the prevailing data only to be modified as new techniques are developed. It's all the better when the new model can explain other phenomena. In this case, the higher temperature calculation made for a more workable geodynamo model and opened more options for the composition of the core. This, in turn, may help explain the distribution of primary carbon in both the core and mantle. Stay tuned to your local science station for weekly updates.
 
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bayi said:
some say they use seisimic wave particularly body waves to study the internal structure of the Earth but for what I know the method tells us whether that particular place it's in solid state or liquid state...still I can't understand how they managed to know the temperature

There probably isn't an easy answer to this without getting into a technical book or something. I expect that our measurements through seismic waves reveals much more than just the phase of the rock, but I don't know what all that might be.
 
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The physical properties of the deeper part of the Earth are controlled by volume, rather than pressure. That's one property that has been worked out in great detail utilizing seismic waves. We've now gone to studying electron spin in iron the minerals of the deep mantle to understand the volume changes. While seismic waves in their simplest form are still used to determine structure and other aspects of the inner earth, the processing of the data has evolved. Seismic tomography is an example of that. 3-D imaging is one of the current applications. An excellent book is New Theory of the Earth by Don Anderson. It's very readable.
 
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I had the early version and bought the New TOE when it came out. I never looked at the Caltech pdf before, but got stoked looking at it today. Thanks for posting that link.
 
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