Interstellar travel is impossible, moore's law is finite, the heat dea

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of interstellar travel, the implications of heat death in the universe, and the limitations imposed by Moore's Law. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of these concepts, including the potential for human survival and technological advancements.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the possibility of interstellar travel, citing impracticality for humans.
  • Others argue that while heat death may be unavoidable, interstellar travel could still be feasible under certain conditions.
  • A participant suggests that a large asteroid might be necessary to carry life to another star system, proposing a self-sustaining system for such a journey.
  • There is mention of the long time required to reach Alpha Centauri, with estimates of 165,000 years using conventional rockets.
  • Some propose that advanced projects, like the Orion project, could potentially achieve speeds allowing for travel to Alpha Centauri in about 100-200 years.
  • Participants reference external sources for further information on interstellar travel options and timelines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility and practicality of interstellar travel, with some expressing pessimism while others maintain that it is not impossible. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches and technologies for achieving interstellar travel.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on current technological capabilities and the assumptions made about future advancements. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical implications of heat death or the specifics of interstellar travel methodologies.

Denisovich
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Yeah, all of those things, multipled by five thousand, and there we have the current cosmic predicament for human beings.

Is there any way in which we can do something about this? Or will Schopenhauer have the last laugh?
 
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We can do science.I don't think heat death (more like a "cold death" due to the expanding universe) is avoidable, and the available calculation rate is finite (but extremely large), but interstellar travel could be possible.[/size]
 
Denisovich said:
Yeah, all of those things, multipled by five thousand, and there we have the current cosmic predicament for human beings.

Is there any way in which we can do something about this? Or will Schopenhauer have the last laugh?

No one knows what the future holds. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
 
Interstellar travel is not impossible, just rather impractical for humans.
 
Astronuc said:
Interstellar travel is not impossible, just rather impractical for humans.

I agree, I am very pessimistic about human interstellar travel ever being possible. Perhaps it will take something the size of a large asteroid to carry life into orbit around a close stellar neighbor.
Alpha Centauri would take 165,000 years so it would need to be a completely self sustaining system. Perhaps robotic with embryonic passengers..
http://Earth'sky.org/space/alpha-centauri-travel-time
We could also wait for another star to come closer to the sun.

It would however be good to see a ship for traveling between the inner planets like these guys are proposing: http://100yss.org/
 
Tanelorn said:
Alpha Centauri would take 165,000 years
With a space-shuttle-like rocket. Well, you don't want to use that for interstellar travel.
Something like the Orion project could achieve ~2.5-5% the speed of light (including slowdown at the target), reaching Alpha Centauri in about 100-200 years.
 

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