Is a spring longer hanging or flat on a table?

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A spring is longer when hanging compared to when it is flat on a table due to the gravitational force acting on its mass, which stretches it more. The discussion highlights the challenge of mathematically modeling this scenario, as the spring's mass leads to varying tensions at different points. By considering the spring as a whole and analyzing the forces acting on it, one can demonstrate that tension must exist at the join point to maintain equilibrium. This approach involves dividing the spring into segments and using free body diagrams to illustrate the forces. Overall, the conclusion is that the hanging spring is indeed longer due to the effects of tension and gravity.
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Homework Statement



Is a spring longer hanging or flat on a table?

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I think the answer would be hanging because then the mass of the spring pulls it down a bit, thus stretching it more than when it is flat.
 
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I would agree.
A good example of the type of spring we are talking about is a slinky toy.
 


But how do I write it using math/formulas.
 


It would be difficult to do that, because the spring must be considered massive, and hence will have different tensions at different points.

But I guess you can prove it if you make an assumption that if any point in the spring has tension, then it is possible only if it is elongated.

Now just divide the spring into two parts, and draw the free body diagram of the bottom part. Now prove that a certain tension must exist at the join point, to keep the bottom part of the spring in equilibrium.
 
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