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The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving a crate suspended by a rope and the calculation of an upward force F. The user initially submitted an answer of 65.9 N, which was rejected, leading to confusion about the correct approach. Participants suggested that the user should consider all decimal places and emphasized the importance of distinguishing between net force and the applied force. After clarifying the forces acting on the crate and applying Newton's second law, the correct applied force was determined to be 114.88 N. The conversation highlights common challenges with online physics assignments and the need for systematic problem-solving.
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Ok, so masteringphysics has rejected an answer I think is right. The question is set up with "insert value" and then "insert units"

Heres the question.

A 5.00 kg crate is suspended from the end of a short vertical rope of negligible mass. An upward force F(t) is applied to the end of the rope, and the height of the crate above its initial position is given by y(t) = (2.80 m/s)t +(0.61 m/s^3)t^3

What is the magnitude of the force F when 3.60 s?

F= (value)(units)

I inserted 65.9 and N

It rejected it.

I tried 65.9 and kg*m/s^2

Rejected again.

I have one try left, and I don't understand what is wrong. Thanks.

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Crusaderking1 said:
I inserted 65.9 and N

Maybe you should put in all the decimal places (65.88), not just the significant digits.
 
bbbeard said:
Maybe you should put in all the decimal places (65.88), not just the significant digits.

Usually if my answer is to the wrong amount of digits, it will tell me in the feedback.
 
Lol i had that same question 3 years ago, sorry i can't remember what i entered, but i know the answer is 65.99N. I'd say talk to you prof/teacher before you use up all your chances. That is the major flaw in those internet based assignments like masteringphyics and masteringchemsitry.
 
Liquidxlax said:
Lol i had that same question 3 years ago, sorry i can't remember what i entered, but i know the answer is 65.99N. I'd say talk to you prof/teacher before you use up all your chances. That is the major flaw in those internet based assignments like masteringphyics and masteringchemsitry.

Haha, 3 years and they still didn't fix it. Alright, I will send my prof. an e-mail.

Its a very frustrating flaw.
 
Realize that you are asked to find the force F, which is not the net force.
 
Doc Al said:
Realize that you are asked to find the force F, which is not the net force.

Do I just plug 3.66 into the original equation for the answer of 40.2 N?
 
Crusaderking1 said:
Do I just plug 3.66 into the original equation for the answer of 40.2 N?
No.

Draw a Free Body Diagram and set up Newton's 2nd law. What's the acceleration at the specified time?
 
Doc Al said:
No.

Draw a Free Body Diagram and set up Newton's 2nd law. What's the acceleration at the specified time?

F = ma

acceleration is 13.176 m/s^2 (3.66*3.60)

m = 5.00

F = 65.9 N?
 
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Crusaderking1 said:
F = ma
That should be ƩF = ma.

What forces act on the crate? The applied force 'F' is just one of the forces acting.

acceleration is 13.176 m/s^2
Good.

m = 5.00

F = 65.8 N?
No, that's the net force.
 
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Doc Al said:
That should be ƩF = ma.

What forces act on the crate? The applied force 'F' is just one of the forces acting.


Good.


No, that's the net force.

Would tension be a factor?
 
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Crusaderking1 said:
Would tension be a factor?
The applied force 'F' is the tension. Recall that it's "applied to the end of the rope".

What other force acts?
 
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Doc Al said:
The applied force 'F' is the tension. Recall that it's "applied to the end of the rope".

What other force acts?

Weight(49 N)
Normal force
65.88 N - 49 N = 16.88 N?
 
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Crusaderking1 said:
Weight(49 N)
Right.
65.88 N - 49 N = 16.88 N?
No.

Do it systematically:

What forces act? (One of them will be the force 'F' which you're solving for.)
Write an expression for the net force.
Set the net force equal to 'ma'.
Solve for the applied force F.
 
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Doc Al said:
Right.

No.

Do it systematically:

What forces act? (One of them will be the force 'F' which you're solving for.)
Write an expression for the net force.
Set the net force equal to 'ma'.
Solve for the applied force F.

Ok I will try to figure this out. Thanks!
 
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Crusaderking1 said:
Ok I will try to figure this out. Thanks!
You're almost there. You just need to organize your approach. Don't give up!
 
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T-W=ma
T-49 N = 65.88 N
T = Fapplied = 114.88 N
 
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Crusaderking1 said:
T-W=ma
T-49 N = 65.88 N
T = Fapplied = 114.88 N
Perfecto! :approve:
 
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Doc Al said:
Perfecto! :approve:

I don't think you know how much you have helped me. Extremely helpful! Thanks.
 
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