Is D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt) a solution to the wave function?

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The discussion centers on determining whether the displacement function D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt) satisfies the wave equation. Participants clarify that the wave equation has solutions beyond oscillating functions like sine and cosine. The correct approach involves calculating the second derivatives of D with respect to time and space, leading to the conclusion that the function can be a solution if the speed of propagation v is defined as v = b/a. A proof is provided showing that any function of the form f(ax ± bt) satisfies the wave equation, confirming the validity of D(x,t) under specific conditions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful derivative calculations in verifying solutions to the wave equation.
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Homework Statement


Show that the displacement D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt), where a and b are constants, is a solution to the wave function.

Homework Equations


I'm not sure which one to use:
D(x,t) = Asin(kx+ωt+φ)
2D/∂t2 = v2⋅∂2D/∂x2

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm completely lost on where to start with this one. I'm not sure how it's even possible, considering a wave is supposed to be an oscillating function and this solution would not give an oscillating displacement. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
 
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You are thinking of harmonic waves. Here you are asked to show that D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt) is a solution to the wave equation. Just take the derivatives, substitute in the wave equation and forget Asin(kx+ωt+φ). The wave equation has more solutions than just sines and cosines.
 
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I suppose you should start with wave equation in one dimension, i.e.
$$\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2}=\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}$$,
and show that the equation is satisfied for ##u(x,t)=D(x,t)##.
 
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Ok, I understand. This is what I have so far:

ln(ax+bt) = D(x,t)

2D/∂t2 = b22/(ax+bt)

2D/∂x2 = a2/(ax+bt)

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)
This is true as long as v = b2/a2

Do you think that this is enough for an answer?
 
Jamie_Pi said:
Ok, I understand. This is what I have so far:

ln(ax+bt) = D(x,t)

2D/∂t2 = b22/(ax+bt)

2D/∂x2 = a2/(ax+bt)

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)
This is true as long as v = b2/a2

Do you think that this is enough for an answer?
It is the right method, but your second derivatives are incorrect. Take it one step at a time.
 
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∂2D/∂t2 = -b2/(ax+bt)2

∂2D/∂x2 = -a2/(ax+bt)2

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)

I think this is correct this time.
 
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∂2D/∂t2 = -b2/(ax+bt)2

∂2D/∂x2 = -a2/(ax+bt)2

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)

I think this is correct this time.
Not quite. The second line is right, but not the third.
 
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Oh I see, I just wrote it in wrong. If the first two are correct, then the last one should just be:

b2/(ax+bt)2 = v2 a2/(ax+bt)2

where v2 = b2/a2
 
Jamie_Pi said:
Oh I see, I just wrote it in wrong. If the first two are correct, then the last one should just be:

b2/(ax+bt)2 = v2 a2/(ax+bt)2

where v2 = b2/a2
Right.
 
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It is generally true that any function of the form ##f(ax \pm bt)## is a solution to the wave equation.
Proof: Define ##u=ax \pm bt##. Then $$\frac{\partial f}{\partial t}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial u} \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}=\pm b\frac{\partial f}{\partial u} \\ \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t^2}=+b^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}$$Similarly, $$\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2}=a^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}$$Substitute in the wave equation to get $$b^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}=v^2a^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}~\Rightarrow~b^2=v^2a^2.$$ Thus, the function is a solution to the wave equation if the speed of propagation is identified as ##v=\pm (b/a)##. The top (##+##) sign is used for waves propagating in the decreasing x-direction as time evolves and the bottom (##-##) is used for waves propagating in the increasing x-direction.
 
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