Is Earth's Energy Balance Truly Measurable?

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Recent research by scientists from NASA and other institutions confirms a significant energy imbalance on Earth, measured at 0.85 watts per meter squared, which could lead to a temperature increase of 0.6 degrees Celsius by the century's end. The study utilized satellite data and ocean heat content measurements to establish this imbalance, which is notable in the context of Earth's historical energy balance. Critics question the reliability of these findings, citing concerns about the error margins in computer models used to derive the data, suggesting they may be overly precise compared to the inherent uncertainties in climate measurements. The discussion highlights a broader debate about the accuracy and credibility of climate models and the implications of their predictions. The ongoing discourse reflects the contentious nature of climate science and the challenges in achieving consensus on such critical issues.
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Sure enough this came up somewhere:

Scientists from NASA, Columbia University, New York, and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Berkeley, Calif. used satellites, data from buoys and computer models to study the Earth's oceans. They confirmed the energy imbalance by using precise measurements of increasing ocean heat content over the past 10 years.

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The study reveals Earth's energy imbalance is large by standards of the planet's history. The imbalance is 0.85 watts per meter squared. That will cause an additional warming of 0.6 degrees Celsius (1 degree Fahrenheit) by the end of this century.

However:

http://motls.blogspot.com/2005/04/Earth's-energy-balance.html

You can see that we roughly know the major energy flows through the atmosphere, as long as you allow for the uncertainties of order 30 W/m^2 (up to ten percent of the energy flows). Now, open the paper by Hansen et al.:

Hansen et al. 2005
James Hansen is one of the people who started the paradigm that "climate change is one of the most important threats facing the humankind" two decades ago. In the paper above, they "derive" many new catastrophic scenarios. The only reason why you should believe these scenarios based on these specific computer models is the following "consistency check":

Their favorite computer models happen to claim that the Earth absorbs "0.85+-0.15 W/m^2" more energy than it emits; the same number "0.85 W/m^2" is calculated from the increasing temperature of oceans as the average extra energy stored by the oceans.
You can see that their advertised error margin is roughly 100 times smaller than the error margin of any conceivable calculation that someone may want to do today or in the near future.
 
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The paper by Hansen et al was published in Science. Are you suggesting that the reviewers paid no attention to the 'consistency check' for significance used by the authors?

And what makes Luboš Motl a qualified authority to comment on the error margin produced by the computer model? Did anyone inform the editor of the journal of the issue, or write a commentary, since the accusation is serious.
 
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The paper by Hansen et al was published in Science. Are you suggesting that the reviewers paid no attention to the 'consistency check' for significance used by the authors?

Well, after the war of the Hockeystick explained best here by Richard Muller, there may be a inverse proportionality trend between attractiviness of conclusions and acceptance standards of reviewers. Clearly this is a mild difference of opinion compared to that war. There is an older thread about that.

And what makes Luboš Motl a qualified authority to comment on the error margin produced by the computer model?

My personal view of authority would be knowledge, brainpower and a clean unbiased use of scientific methods. Unfortunately that's not how the world seems to work.

BTW, The equivocation problem here is a difference between accuracy and precision. Compare it with the carbon dating problems in the other palaeo glaciation thread. The AMS carbon dating method is very precise with error margins of about 0,3% but highly inaccurate with errors up to 25% due to environmental bias.

To underscore this point may I also recommend:
http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/csrl/publications/pub_exchange/Wielicki_et_al_2002.pdf
showing that the loss of extra energy in the 30N-30S band in the last two decades is 2.9 W/m2, about three times larger than the "unbalance" found in Hansen et al (but measured by the same satellites!).

Did anyone inform the editor of the journal of the issue, or write a commentary, since the accusation is serious.

Welcome in the global warming war. :smile:
 
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