Is F Isomorphic to Its Own Quotient by {0}?

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The discussion revolves around the isomorphism between a field F and its quotient F/{0}. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of isomorphisms in the context of field theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of defining a bijective homomorphism to establish isomorphism. There are questions about the kernel of the proposed homomorphism and whether it qualifies as an ideal. Some participants express confusion regarding the notation used by the original poster, particularly distinguishing between the quotient and set difference.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of the homomorphism and the nature of the kernel, but no consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's intent.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the original poster's use of notation, leading to different interpretations of the problem. Participants are clarifying the distinction between the quotient and set theoretic difference, which affects the understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let F be a field. Show that F is isomorphic to F/{0}

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By the first ring isomorphic theorem, kernel of the homomorphism is an ideal which is either {0} or I. Hence F isomorphic to F/{0}

I think I misunderstood the problem can anyone check my work where I did wrong
 
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For two fields to be isomorphic, there has to be a bijective homomorphism between them:

$$\phi : F \rightarrow (F - \{0\})$$

You need to define the map you used to show ##\text{ker}(\phi)## is an ideal of ##F##. You then need to show ##\ker(\phi)## really is an ideal.

Then I would be convinced.

You could also go the long way by proving the map you've defined is a bijective homomorphism between the fields, which would imply the fields are isomorphic to each other.
 
Zondrina said:
For two fields to be isomorphic, there has to be a bijective homomorphism between them:

$$\phi : F \rightarrow (F - \{0\})$$

You need to define the map you used to show ##\text{ker}(\phi)## is an ideal of ##F##. You then need to show ##\ker(\phi)## really is an ideal.

Then I would be convinced.

You could also go the long way by proving the map you've defined is a bijective homomorphism between the fields, which would imply the fields are isomorphic to each other.

Suppose $\phi : F\rightarrow F$ is an identity homomorphism, then $\ker(\phi)=\{0\}$ is an ideal of $F$ and hence $F/\{0\}\cong F$ by the first ring isomorphism.
 
an identity homomorphism

Are you saying ##\phi(f) = f, \forall f \in F##? If so there is a problem because ##\phi(0) = 0## and ##0 \notin (F - \{ 0 \})##.
 
Zondrina said:
Are you saying ##\phi(f) = f, \forall f \in F##? If so there is a problem because ##\phi(0) = 0## and ##0 \notin (F - \{ 0 \})##.

The OP means ##F/\{0\}##, which means the ring ##F## modulo ##\{0\}##. He does not mean the set theoretic difference ##F\setminus \{0\}## (in that case, the result in the OP is obviously false).
 
HaLAA said:
Suppose $\phi : F\rightarrow F$ is an identity homomorphism, then $\ker(\phi)=\{0\}$ is an ideal of $F$ and hence $F/\{0\}\cong F$ by the first ring isomorphism.

Correct.
 
micromass said:
The OP means ##F/\{0\}##, which means the ring ##F## modulo ##\{0\}##. He does not mean the set theoretic difference ##F\setminus \{0\}## (in that case, the result in the OP is obviously false).

Oh I thought the OP was intending to mean the set theoretical difference.

I never knew \setminus was the way to do that, so I guess I learned something too.

The OP is correct if they were intending modulo, but I definitely would have been a bit more explicit when asking.
 
Zondrina said:
Oh I thought the OP was intending to mean the set theoretical difference.

I never knew \setminus was the way to do that, so I guess I learned something too.

The OP is correct if they were intending modulo, but I definitely would have been a bit more explicit when asking.

I agree, I was very confused too.
 

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