Is Impulse an Approximation in Trajectory Dynamics?

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The discussion centers on the concept of impulse in trajectory dynamics, particularly in the context of spacecraft engineering. Participants explore the definitions of linear and angular momentum, the implications of using impulse over finite time periods, and the potential inaccuracies involved in these calculations.

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  • One participant questions the inherent imprecision in the equations for linear and angular momentum, suggesting that knowing the time function of force or torque should yield accurate impulse values over any time period.
  • Another participant asserts that the imprecision arises from the values inputted into the equations, noting that errors can accumulate over long-term predictions and that relativistic mechanics may need to be considered in some cases.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the practical limitations of knowing the functions F(t) or T(t) and requests elaboration on the relativistic implications.
  • One participant states that the definition of impulse is exact if the force is known precisely, emphasizing the relationship between impulse and change in momentum.
  • Another participant mentions that while impulse can provide an idea of the impulsive force during a collision, the actual maximum force may be much greater than the calculated value based on approximate time intervals.

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Participants express differing views on the precision of impulse calculations and the implications of using approximations. There is no consensus on the inherent imprecision of the equations or the practical knowledge of force and torque functions.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the accuracy of input values and the potential need for relativistic considerations, but these aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying spacecraft engineering, trajectory dynamics, or the principles of momentum and impulse in physics.

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Hi all,

I am reading a book on spacecraft engineering in the section about trajectory dynamics. They define linear and angular momentum as:

##I = \int_{0}^{\tau}{F}dt## (Linear Momentum)
##L = \int_{0}^{\tau}{T}dt## (Angular Momentum)

But they (and so many other sources) always mention the fact that it is only used in situations where there is an insignificant amount of movement/rotation change incurred, usually over infinitesimal time periods. Why? Is there some inherent imprecision in these equations? If we know the time function of force or torque, would it not yield a correct value for linear/angular impulse over any period of time we desire?

Very confused. Would really appreciate some clarification here.

Thanks
 
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Shaybay92 said:
Is there some inherent imprecision in these equations?
The imprecision is in the values you put in. And for long term predictions those errors can accumulate. Also, in some cases you might have to use relativistic mechanics, of which the classical mechanics is indeed just an approximation.
 
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Are you saying that practically speaking we can't know F(t) or T(t)?

Can you elaborate on the relativistic implications?

I am very determined to fully understand this concept. Thank you kindly.
 
The definition of the impulse you wrote is exact, it gives the change on the linear momentum as long as you give the the exact value of the force.
 
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I hope you know that impulse acting on a body gives change in momentum of that body, which if we equate to integral F dt or Tdt , and substitute some approximate value of dt (time for which collision lasted) then we can get idea of the value of F (impulsive force) which is huge ,but far lesser than its actual maximum !

As of your question, I didn't understand it !
 

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