Is it possible to glow-discharge air at atmospheric pressure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the possibility of achieving a glow discharge in air at atmospheric pressure, exploring the conditions under which this might occur, and distinguishing it from other types of discharges like corona discharge. Participants consider various methods and theoretical approaches to generate such a discharge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a glow discharge can be achieved at atmospheric pressure, noting that high voltages in vacuum tubes produce ionization but wonders about atmospheric conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that a search for "glow discharge in air" yields relevant literature, implying that such discharges may be possible under certain conditions.
  • Saint Elmo's fire is mentioned as a related phenomenon, characterized by luminous plasma created by coronal discharge, although it is noted that the original poster has excluded this from their consideration.
  • There is speculation about the potential for high-frequency high voltage to produce a glow discharge, but this remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of achieving a glow discharge at atmospheric pressure, with multiple viewpoints and uncertainties expressed regarding the conditions and methods required.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the exclusion of certain types of discharges like corona discharge, and the need for further clarification on the specific conditions under which a glow discharge might occur in atmospheric air.

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Hi,

I know air can be made ionized and glow at low atmospehres like in vacuum tubes at high voltages. But is it possible to somehow make a glow discharge(not corona discharge out of leaking sharp edges) at atmospheric pressures?. Except of Ionization radiation- I haven't heared or read of this,? If it is possible what would do it? very HV van de graafs only produce gigantic spark discharges so simple hv direct current can never do it I guess. HV HF transformers also produce mostly spark discharges but a very tiny glow I suspect(?). Could in theory, HV at sufficient high frequency in the radio range at sufficient energy produce a glow discharge or what would happen??

Thanks
 
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You seem to be asking if it is possible for any situation except for those very situations where it is possible.
A google for "glow discharge in air" yields a lot of possibles ...

This may be close to what you are looking for:
DC glow discharges in atmospheric pressure air
... Zdenko Machala et al, Journal of Advanced Oxidation Technologies
 
Yachting people speak of Saint Elmo's fire.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Yachting people speak of Saint Elmo's fire.
St. Elmo's fire (also St. Elmo's light[1][2]) is a weather phenomenon in which luminous plasma is created by a coronal discharge from a sharp or pointed object in a strong electric field in the atmosphere (such as those generated by thunderstorms or created by a volcanic eruption).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_fire

leviterande said:
...not corona discharge out of ... sharp edges...

That's what I thought of too - however, OP has excluded it from consideration.
 

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